Re: Proposal for a poll to users about bug triaging

2018-02-28 Thread Jaroslaw Staniek
On 28 February 2018 at 16:04, Ilmari Lauhakangas < ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> wrote: > On 28.02.2018 16:21, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: > >> My story is, more rules, more scared users ignore the BKO. A single thing >> worth having is not too many rules but editing feature for *wrong* or >>

Re: Proposal for a poll to users about bug triaging

2018-02-28 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 28.02.2018 16:21, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: My story is, more rules, more scared users ignore the BKO. A single thing worth having is not too many rules but editing feature for *wrong* or outdated bug comments that make understanding the report so hard. Many years have passed since the first

Re: Proposal for a poll to users about bug triaging

2018-02-28 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
From experience, priority & severity are nice-to-haves most of the time. In LibreOffice, they are the most useful in the case of crashes or hangs, where we use high/highest & major/critical. Ilmari On 28.02.2018 16:25, Scott Harvey wrote: As the former manager of an IT help desk (back in the

Re: Proposal for a poll to users about bug triaging

2018-02-28 Thread Scott Harvey
As the former manager of an IT help desk (back in the olden days), my input on some of this. I'm only a junior developer who's offered up a few minor patches thus far and have done a bit of bug triaging. We need to back up and remember the definition of the word triage: (in medical use) the

Re: Proposal for a poll to users about bug triaging

2018-02-28 Thread Jaroslaw Staniek
On 28 February 2018 at 12:35, Ilmari Lauhakangas < ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> wrote: > I am personally convinced that users do not know bug triaging is a thing > and certainly not how much they could help developers by doing it. It would > be very useful to test this by running a poll on

Re: Proposal for a poll to users about bug triaging

2018-02-28 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
I would argue this is not the most important thing, at least not before recruiting a proper QA team for your application. It does help with noticing duplicate reports, but it is quite work-intensive. In LibreOffice we currently have 657 meta reports to categorise everything. Yet, we also have

Re: Proposal for a poll to users about bug triaging

2018-02-28 Thread Gilles Caulier
Hi, Instead to start to talk with users about bugzilla, I recommend to separate well the project with bugzilla sub-components. In digiKam, i pass a lots of time to create sub-sections. This is the most important task to do before triaging. Remember that users are not developers. Some sections

Proposal for a poll to users about bug triaging

2018-02-28 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
I am personally convinced that users do not know bug triaging is a thing and certainly not how much they could help developers by doing it. It would be very useful to test this by running a poll on https://blogs.kde.org/ or somewhere. Questions could be something along the lines of "Did you