hello,
i would like to know if we can start thinking on some gsoc projects for
2017. can any one of you mentor some ideas? if not, can it be possible to
to request some help from kde for this? here are some ideas that we could
try:
-improve titler - easy
-improve render widget - easy
-fix movit
hello, has anyone looked into this?
2017-01-19 21:41 GMT-02:00 Mikko Rapeli :
> Kdenlive used to have frame accurate preview on my slow i686 Thinkpad
> laptop, not in real-time but close enough in HD resolutions.
> Changes to buffering, asynchronous processing and frame
thanks vincent i must be tripping with so many bugs open, currrently we are
at 257 opened bugs! (hopefully i can gather some more info for the next
kdenlive café)
cheers
2017-01-20 20:50 GMT-02:00 Vincent Pinon <vpi...@kde.org>:
> Le vendredi 20 janvier 2017, 20:39:48 CET farid
Ciao Massimo,
Hi Farid,
> I have a list of features I wrote some time ago.
> Par of this list is our roadmap at today:
>
> Refactoring timeline for acheiving:
> - Advanced trimming features
> - Single track transitions
> - Multicam Editing
> - More sequences nesting
> and
> - Mixer audio
> -
Someone has commented on the website that he has created a wondows package.
I asked him to send an email to the mailing list...
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here are some issues that we've seen reported:
-users have complained that they can't import files, someone suggested that
manually changing Environment -> Tab: Default Folders -> Temporary Files
from "/tmp/" to "C:\tmp"
We had this message posted in the website:
"The link of the latest release (16.12.1-2) is broken. I have downloaded
this version by altering the url, but this package throws a number of
missing dependencies (MLT, frei0r) at me on launch, after which I can only
abort. Version 16.12.0 didn’t do
> I will fix the link and do some more testing tonight to check frei0r.
>
there have been comments that it is using a lot of cpu as well...
thanks :)
>
> Jb
>
> >Can anyone confirm if it is working?
> >
> >Thanks
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2016-08-19 13:40 GMT-03:00 Harald Albrecht :
>
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Hi guys,
What if we close all the Movit related issues and transfer some of them to
the phabricator thread? Movit is experimental and therefore buggy and it
needs some special attention maybe. It would help to bring some sanity to
the bugtracker as well...
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Congrats to everyone involved and specially to JB for his great work!!!
Here is a full list of the changes:
https://www.kde.org/announcements/fulllog_applications.php?version=16.08.0#kdenlive
Can anyone help me to write a post about this? The highlights I noticed:
1- 3 point editing
2-
ew, none.
>
> 9. Fix audio mixing problems in old projects by inserting a new track,
> then deleting it in prder to fix internal audio mixers.
>
> Best regards,
> Harald
>
>
> Ursprüngliche Nachricht
> Von: farid abdelnour <snd.no...@gmail.com>
&
hello
kde, among some cool projects, got accepted for gsoc:
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5351578790789120/
i will see with kde people what are our chances for applying and also with
mlt folks about their interest in participating.
will keep you updated,
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welcome back massimo!
i was just gonna write you an email to see how you are doing.
cheers
2016-08-31 18:25 GMT-03:00 Massimo Stella :
> Dear friends,
>
> I'm sorry I have been away for more than a month but I was totally busy
> for a job and then I took some days of vacation.
>
> Seems to make sense. I just implemented it in git master, testing &
> feedback welcome.
>
wow that was quick!
thanks man! :)
will test soon
> regards
> jb
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for the time being?
2016-08-22 10:46 GMT-03:00 farid abdelnour <snd.no...@gmail.com>:
> Hi guys,
>
> What if we close all the Movit related issues and transfer some of them to
> the phabricator thread? Mov
hello people,
please choose the dates... until now there is only me and massimo.
2016-08-31 18:33 GMT-03:00 farid abdelnour <snd.no...@gmail.com>:
> welcome back massimo!
>
> i was just gonna write you an email to see how you are doing.
>
> cheers
>
> 2016-08-31 18:
Great news!
Maybe asking Dan how he does it with Shotcut?
2016-09-06 10:49 GMT-03:00 Jean-Baptiste Mardelle :
> Hi all,
>
> I spent my day at KDE's Akademy to work on a Kdenlive Appimage package.
> Turns out it was not too hard, I have uploaded the build script in
>
This also is happening with opensuse...
2016-08-30 10:35 GMT-03:00 harald.albrecht :
> I only saw this on 16.04 so far.
>
>
> Ursprüngliche Nachricht
> Von: Vincent Pinon
> Datum: 30.08.2016 12:48 (GMT+01:00)
> An: kdenlive@kde.org
>
I just a response from them and they are using more recent versions...
Anyone can help out here?
2016-08-29 11:01 GMT-03:00 farid abdelnour <snd.no...@gmail.com>:
> Could this related to a different Frameworks or QT version?
>
> Just tried using Kdenlive in archlinux built f
hi guys,
an editor friend is trying kdenlive for a big project and he requested this
feature:
the timeline cursor should be responsive in the sense that after you mark
the in and out points and then insert the selection in the timeline it
should go to the end of the inserted clip. otherwise one
ps
feel free to remove some of the topics you find not valid... :)
On Sep 14, 2016 12:34 PM, "farid abdelnour" <snd.no...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> hello
>
> a suggestion of the possible topics to discuss during our café on the
20th.
>
> *16.08 evaluation
>
hi jb,
Correct, we need to update the stable PPA to 16.08.1.
> I will have some time tomorrow to check that,
>
if this is going to give you too much work maybe we could ask people to be
patient while the appimage is not ready. (i saw there was some progress,
right?)
> regards
>
either way,
hello
a suggestion of the possible topics to discuss during our café on the 20th.
*16.08 evaluation
*roadmap
-choose next feature (or features)
*bugtracker
-taskforce for maintenance and clean up of the tracker (or is it ok the
way it is?)
-select and tag low hanging bugs for devs (see
hi
we've had some requests to update the ubuntu ppa to the latest version,
would anyone do it please.
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> Hi there.
>
Hi Evert,
>
> Just use proxies, and do a quick test render before editing too far. ;)
>
Ended up doing that :)
Thanks!
> -Evert-
>
> On 30 September 2016 at 02:48, farid abdelnour <snd.no...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
&g
I saw that there is a donate link in the about dialogue that links here:
https://www.kde.org/community/donations/?app=kdenlive
I am gonna put a donate button in the homepage, is that fine or could we
use a more direct approach to donate to the project?
Regards
2016-10-03 18:53 GMT-03:00 farid
The breeze theme is available fine and it doesn't complain about missing
ladspa.
I noticed a glitch happening in the lower toolbar when you zoom in the
timeline though...
Massimo I will test the package with an nvidia card soon.
2016-10-08 14:59 GMT-03:00 Massimo Stella :
>
Hi JB
Thanks for your effort!
So trying to install in archlinux and success:
kdenlive-devel (edge) master from 'j-b-m' installed
=)
snap run kdenlive-devel
starting script
/snap/kdenlive-devel/4
testing kdenlive
(process:12276): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by
Is anyone able to follow up on this issue?
2016-08-22 15:44 GMT-03:00 farid abdelnour <snd.no...@gmail.com>:
> Hi guys,
>
> I spoke with Simon (AppImage creator?) and asked him for help to package
> Kdenlive. His reply was wonderful:
>
> ===
> "Hi Farid,
>
>
Hello
We might be experiencing some crashes at the moment... unfortunately i
haven't been able to test yet... could this be due to dependency/packaging
issues maybe?
The first two complaints are from two youtubers willing to test the
program, AJ Reissig and Quidsup, and they are experiencing
Hello,
Who has write access to fix this?
Also back in Mantis days I used to have "admin" privileges for this kind of
tasks. Could someone add me to help out.
Cheers
2016-08-20 19:52 GMT-03:00 Pascal Fleury :
> Hello,
>
> I tried to file a bug
Greetings,
Some comments on the internets have suggested for us to do some videos
explaining some of the new features. Would anyone be willing to help out
with that? Or we could also do some written articles explaining some in
more detail. The most needed would be 3 point editing, the library and
Hi
Two people in the studio are starting to work with Kdenlive and they use
>> LinuxMint (I am not familiar with this system). Eveytime they add an effect
>> to a track the project monitor turns black. See video at the bug tracker.
>> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=367686
>>
>> Any hint on
> Most necessary is text with screen shot, video are too time consuming both
> to make and to see
>
Some things could be done that way but others would be good to be in video
format. Gonna see if our youtuber friends would give us a hand.
Thanks
>
Cheers :)
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Could this related to a different Frameworks or QT version?
Just tried using Kdenlive in archlinux built from today's git (since it
isn't yet in the repo's) and couldn't get it to crash as people said. Here
it is using KDE Frameworks 5.25.0 and Qt 5.7.0.
2016-08-28 22:46 GMT-03:00 farid
This is an issue that is happening quite a bit...
If we could at least give some orientation to packagers and users on how to
solve it. I am willing to help with this if anyone can orient me.
https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=265=135987=af686
ec38d70afb5b8118ace1f2867f3
Hello
A user at the forum has brought up the issue about a fundraiser, afaik
bounties are more interesting since they are not as time consuming as a
fund raising campaign. Also someone has suggested a donation button which
to me sounds good and we can try to implement it.
How do you feel about
FIY
I saw over at the forum someone wishing that AATranslator support
Kdenlive... so I wrote to the developer and he said he would try to do it.
Gonna connect him with the devs in an email to pursue this further.
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>> Just spoke with the KDE_VDG team and there is no HIG guideline about
>> using the dark them
Hi
Could someone please see this:
-- Mensagem encaminhada --
De: "ByteHamster"
Data: 06/11/2016 16:20
Assunto: Kdenlive bug 367705
Para:
Hi,
you added the flag "low_hanging" to my bug report - so I think you are
already have some
Hello
We have 55 "wishlist" reports currently open in the tracker. I have already
tagged some as "low-hanging" and most are uncorfimed reports. It would be
great to have a look at these and close the wont fix/invalid ones: (this
will bring some sanity to the tracker and help us organize better
Thanks Massimo
Some suggestions for the meeting in no particular order:
* News
- 16.12 progress/issues
- Cafe #9 pending tasks
* Community
- Possible LGM/Akademy/Lakademy meetup
- GSOC
* User feedback
- EDL export
- Interface missing icons
* Packaging
Will 16.12 benefit from the new multi-threaded slice-based image processing
features?
-- Forwarded message --
From: Dan Dennedy
Date: 2016-11-12 4:39 GMT-02:00
Subject: [mltframework/mlt] v6.4.0
To: mltframework/mlt
This is
https://git.sesse.net/?p=movit;a=blob;f=NEWS;h=360416e4a5eb7a3e304d39b374c698029daad3f6;hb=ddca8a12a62ffe6b13d86cbd5b3aac75231e8802
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Hey
Like we decided in last café, here are my proposal dates for Kdenlive's
> "bug squashing" day. I think the best would be to make it next week, since
> Kdenlive 16.12 will be prepared on the 8th, released on the 15th.
>
Fantastic.
>
> I can be available for the bug squasing next week on
Just spoke with the KDE_VDG team and there is no HIG guideline about using
the dark theme as default. (One will be written soon.)
Basically as long as the user can set the white theme back to default (or
whatever one chooses), it is alright to set the dark theme to be default.
The team asked if
Thanks for the great work! This is a minor dot release but it brings 36
fixes to Kdenlive.
https://kdenlive.org/2016/10/kdenlive-16-08-2-released/
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https://github.com/mltframework/mlt/pull/133
https://github.com/mltframework/mlt/pull/135
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Next year Brazil will host the 2017 Libre Graphics Meeting in Rio de
Janeiro. Although the date hasn't yet been set it will probably be around
the 20th April. What do you say we have a community meeting to get to know
each other, have a BoF post the 16.12 cycle, get to know other LGM
Hi
In archlinux if you are using kdenlive-git from AUR edit the PKGBUILD and
remove the comment from the options lines:
#options=(debug !strip)
to
options=(debug !strip)
That way when running GDB you can report better bug reports.
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hey guys,
jesse posted these two bugs which i have confirmed. but since both of us
use archlinux and gnome i would like to ask if you could test with your
distros to see if it is a distrowide issue or archcentric/gnomecentric.
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373531
Some people have notified that the stable PPA is still not updated for the
16.12 release. It seems it didn't update yet.
2016-10-24 15:16 GMT-02:00 Harald Albrecht :
> Many thanks, don't worry.
>
> Ursprüngliche Nachricht
> Von: Jean-Baptiste Mardelle
fantastic jb, will try to be there.
2017-01-11 9:17 GMT-02:00 Jean-Baptiste Mardelle :
> Hi all,
>
> I am a bit late, but here is a date poll for the developer meeting we
> discussed in last café. Dates are between this friday 13th and next friday,
> the 20th, I hope we can
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From:
Date: 2017-01-12 19:11 GMT-02:00
Subject: [kdenlive] [Bug 373199] Crash when using frei0r emboss effect
To: snd.no...@gmail.com
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373199
--- Comment #5 from yves.desga...@ugroupmedia.com
?id=356664 (JoshW)
The rest are still up for grabs. ;)
Cheers and hope to do it again!
2016-11-27 21:35 GMT-02:00 Jean-Baptiste Mardelle <j...@kdenlive.org>:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:29:32 PM CET, farid abdelnour wrote:
>
>> Hey
>>
>> Like we decided in l
That is great news Vincent!
So good to see a light at the end of the tunnel in this journey.
Just a thought... would it be very difficult to compile the 16.12 release?
I am thinking maybe we can make a big announcement about this during the
16.12 launch. We can enjoy the opportunity to give more
Hi
I'm a linux user for 20 years now, and I don't see free codecs win the race
> now. I could make ogv files (webm), but my goal is to be read now, not in
> the future. I regret that but mp4 is the only really universal codec. That
> don't prevent you from using an other.
>
> we are promoting
Thanks Iwan!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWarCIoQAhs
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Greetings
Thank you all who participated in this great project. It has been a great
experience for me to be a member of this woderful community. Everyone of
you who dedicated their time submitting patches, reports, helping in the
forums, etc... Thanks! A special shout to JB, you rock, much
Just a reminder that our last café for this year is next week (one day
before the release) ;)
See you!
2016-11-08 14:10 GMT-02:00 Massimo Stella :
>
> Dear friends,
> the selected dates for the next kdenlive café are:
> #11 - November the 23th at 9pm
> #12 - December the 14th at
i noticed that evert only replied to me so resending his email:
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From: Evert Vorster <evors...@gmail.com>
Date: 2017-03-23 12:52 GMT-03:00
Subject: Re: Bug suggestions for 17.04
To: farid abdelnour <snd.no...@gmail.com>
It is indeed a nice
12:19 GMT-03:00 farid abdelnour <snd.no...@gmail.com>:
> Hello,
>
> Since all focus and energy is on the refactoring, we decided in the Café
> that 17.04 will be a bugfix release without shiny new features. If you have
> any nasty bug you'd like fixed now is the time t
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Hello,
Since all focus and energy is on the refactoring, we decided in the Café
that 17.04 will be a bugfix release without shiny new features. If you have
any nasty bug you'd like fixed now is the time to talk. Here are some
suggestions to choose from:
Bugs:
Git-master does not build against
hi jesse
afaik we need a windows maintainer for that to happen so we will be doing a
call for maintainers/packagers soon.
someone correct me if i'm wrong :)
2017-03-23 13:48 GMT-03:00 Jesse DuBord :
> Just curious, will there be a Kdenlive 17.04 Windows release along
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377331
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2017-03-14 13:53 GMT-03:00 Massimo Stella :
> I meant: Kdenlive café # 15 on March the 21st
> So it's not wednesday 15 but Tuesday 21
> Sorry for not being too clear.
>
Sorry I thought 21 was the time of the meeting. I should've paid more
attention since it is kind of clear
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/632wq6/kdenlive_video_editor_is_doing_a_code_refactoring/
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Can someone confirm this?
https://kdenlive.org/2017/03/kdenlive-16-12-3-is-out/#comment-611
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https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=265=139777=374490#p374490
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ou find something more
interesting to work on.
> Raphael
>
Happy hacking
[1]
https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=product%3Akdenlive%20flag%3Alow_hanging_id=1434110
[2] https://phabricator.kde.org/T3020
[3] https://phabricator.kde.org/T2336
[4] https://phabricator.kde.org/T5434
>
Hi Raphaël,
Welcome to the community!
Is your patch a response to the recent post we published [1] or did you get
here by other means?
Over at phabricator you'll also be able to get a glimpse of the refactoring
work being made, exiting times coming to Kdenlive.
[1]
https://kdenlive.org/2017/03/kdenlive-16-12-3-is-out/
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> and once installed run apt install kdenlive
>
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Hello
A topic I would like to discuss in the next Café or in this thread is
MOVIT, as in I think we should be disable it from the main releases and
have it only in another branch. It is not production-ready and has caused
many mishaps.
What say you?
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Hi Massimo
#15 March Tuesday 21
>
That would be a Wednesday.
> I hope to meet you all there.
> Thanks in advance.
>
Thanks and see you!
>
> Massimo.
>
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i saw this recommended in the ppa page, can we recommend this for users?
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/amd64/kdenlive/4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1
2017-03-11 16:50 GMT-03:00 Harald Albrecht :
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Hello
We've had some demands from the community:
- Please update the stable PPA of the last 16.12.3.
- Are there plans to update the AppImage any time soon?
- Any progress on the Windows issues? Many new users have started using
Kdenlive (some have switched to it as their main editor); from
Don't forget to select your preferred dates for the next Cafés, the
deadline is the 10th of this month. ;)
2017-03-02 10:59 GMT-03:00 Massimo Stella :
> Dear friends,
> I invite you to fill the dates selection pool for our next
> meetings:
>
Hi JB
Kdenlive 16.12.3 will be released next week, with a freeze on monday night.
> I haven't had time to parse the bugtracker, so if there is 1 or 2 issues
> that you think really need to be adressed before release, please reply in
> this thread so that I can try to work on them before the
Hi
yay kdenlive in KDE neon Dev Unstable edition is back in business with
> updated MLT
> http://build.neon.kde.org/job/xenial_unstable_applications_kdenlive/
What are the install instructions so I can add KDE Neon in the Download
section[1] of the website?
[1] https://kdenlive.org/download/
Olá Caio, Como vai?
2017-03-27 0:39 GMT-03:00 Caio Barros :
> My name is Caio and I am a college student and I have a proposal for GSoC
> and would like to present to a dev because I'm a bit lost. It involves
> creating a plugin for KDEnlive and use of external famewok.
>
thanks a lot jb :)
i spotted this one:
https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=279=139821
i can reproduce it but can't submit it as a bug report.
cheers
2017-07-27 3:56 GMT-03:00 Jean-Baptiste Mardelle <j...@kdenlive.org>:
> On 27.07.2017 06:53, farid abdelnour wrote:
>
>>
Hi Jesse
Appreciate a lot your feedback and loved the form it was done, short and
objective. More people are invited to share their experience. :)
2017-08-11 20:25 GMT-03:00 Jesse DuBord :
> Farid had requested that I make this public; hopefully JB, Vincent and the
>
guadec videos edited with kdenlive :)
https://twitter.com/guadec/status/896396734179553280
lets put here all the times we see kdenlive in action.
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noted!
ciao :)
2017-07-11 7:12 GMT-03:00 Massimo Stella :
> Dear friends,
> the selected dates for the next Kdenlive cafés are:
> #19 on Monday July 17
> #20 on Monday August 21
> As usual I remind you that our meeting will be on the freenode IRC
> channell #kdenlive at 9pm
See you all later at our café! :D
2017-07-14 1:05 GMT-03:00 farid abdelnour <snd.no...@gmail.com>:
> noted!
>
> ciao :)
>
> 2017-07-11 7:12 GMT-03:00 Massimo Stella <maxs...@tin.it>:
>
>> Dear friends,
>> the selected dates for the next Kdenlive
try ctrl + shift + f
2017-07-10 15:47 GMT-03:00 Douglas Pollard :
> I am using Kdenlive on Mint18.1 Kdenlive is the 17.04 and have clicked
> full screen and cant get of ot that. Exit full screen does not reduce
> window size. I tried f11 and a couple short cut keys. NO
Some people tried to help but their efforts were in vain... probably
because this isn't related to Kdenlive per se but rather an OS/Desktop
issue? Probably asking at your distros forums might help out...
Good luck.
2017-07-14 12:06 GMT-03:00 Douglas Pollard :
> I am sorry I
hi jesse
i agree that this is an important issue, we should look into it at the next
café.
thanks
2017-07-25 20:17 GMT-03:00 Jesse DuBord :
> So, there've been multiple users across the years who have actually asked
> how to contribute or to donate to Kdenlive.
hi
dont know if it is still possible to include a fix for this bug.
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382451
thanks :)
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http://www.gunga.com.br;>gunga
greetings
will be at lakademy on monday talking about kdenlive, will spend the whole
day. might write a toolbox article and do some site stuff but also
hopefully i'll find some qml people and get them interested in
collaborating. will anyone be on irc?
for more info:
Way down the road, after the refactoring, we should think of things like
this and plan on how to achieve them since this might/could/should involve
a joint task force between MLT, Kdenlive, Shotcut, Flowblade? Maybe a GSOC,
crowdfunding, patreon?
hi
i started a project with 17.04.3 then updated to 17.11.70 and noticed a
regression when moving clips in the timeline be it with the box select and
then drag or with the spacer tool.
if i open a new project in 17.11.70 and add twice as many clips to the
timeline, i am able to drag them smoothy
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371849
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http://www.gunga.com.br;>gunga
http://www.tempoecoarte.com.br;>tempoecoarte
http://www.atelier-labs.org;>atelier-labs
hey guys,
some tests we can do to see if the timeline corruptions happen when testing
the refactoring branch are these:
1- speed effect
2- undo/redo various times after moving clips and restart project
3- move many clips at the same time through the timeline
do you know/suspect of any other?
2017-08-08 9:31 GMT-03:00 Vincent Pinon :
>
> Evert, did you try to share your custom profiles using "HotNewStuff"
> function in Kdenlive? ;)
>
+1
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> Vincent
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> Le mardi 8 août 2017, 12:47:31 CEST Evert Vorster a écrit :
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> Hi there, Bernd.
>
> Kdenlive supports
Here is a short edited using Kdenlive by community member Jesse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sSIRGZnFms
Congrats!
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