Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-20 Thread Valter Mura
In data giovedì 17 gennaio 2013 09:55:46, Martin Srebotnjak ha scritto: Hi, because of this Ubuntu packaging bug that Bjorn Michaelsen even recently downgraded from high to low: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-defaults-it/+bug/957589 Localized LibreOffice on Ubuntu makes substandard

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-20 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
Martin, you have to complain also here: ubuntu-translat...@lists.ubuntu.com Person in charge for this matter is: David Planella (in copy), who can give you/us all explanations and investigates on the matter. Still, he will have to calm down if he wants to be heard. I just don’t like to

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-18 Thread Michael Bauer
You're wrong in the sense that Tools Options LS will only allow you to switch between languages you have actually chosen to install manually during the install process. In my case, I can only choose Gaelic or English in the dropdown for the UI. If I wanted French, I would have to... oh I

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-18 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I think in terms of languages, during the install process they shoudl be downloaded instead of having individual seperate installers in my honest opinion. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: You're wrong in the sense that Tools Options LS will only allow

[libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Hi, because of this Ubuntu packaging bug that Bjorn Michaelsen even recently downgraded from high to low: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-defaults-it/+bug/957589 Localized LibreOffice on Ubuntu makes substandard impression on non-English users. It requires additional hacking without any notice

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
I don’t think this is the appopriate list to dump you rant into. -- Adolfo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
I think it is. I translate 100 % the help and on Ubuntu users think that help is not localized - translators are lazy. Can you rework into something substandard and keep its name? Same goes with your localization, but obviously you do not care. Lp, m. 2013/1/17 Adolfo Jayme Barrientos

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi Martin, On 17/01/2013 09:55, Martin Srebotnjak wrote: Hi, because of this Ubuntu packaging bug that Bjorn Michaelsen even recently downgraded from high to low: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-defaults-it/+bug/957589 Localized LibreOffice on Ubuntu makes substandard impression on

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Bauer
That's a really bold assumption. I'm not stupid when it comes to computers but I've honestly given up trying to get Ubuntu to give me stuff in the language I want. I either have to switch the OS locale and UI to that language, which switches a lot of stuff, not all of which I might want in

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi Michael, On 17/01/2013 13:34, Michael Bauer wrote: That's a really bold assumption. I'm not stupid when it comes to computers but I've honestly given up trying to get Ubuntu to give me stuff in the language I want. I either have to switch the OS locale and UI to that language, which

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Bauer
Hi Sophie, 17/01/2013 12:59, sgrìobh Sophie Gautier: Well, I'm only trying to find a solution that could be best for our I know you work hard to that end but at the same time, we all know how easy it is slipping into assumptions about other people :) Ubuntu users and our l10n team (and by the

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Chris Leonard
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos fitosch...@gmail.com wrote: I don’t think this is the appopriate list to dump you rant into. -- Adolfo Where else would a LibreOfffice localizer register a complaint about a LibreOffiec L10n issue (albeit with a downstream distro

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi all, On 17/01/2013 14:06, Michael Bauer wrote: Hi Sophie, 17/01/2013 12:59, sgrìobh Sophie Gautier: Well, I'm only trying to find a solution that could be best for our I know you work hard to that end but at the same time, we all know how easy it is slipping into assumptions about other

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Bauer
How about what I (and some other folk) have suggested all along, some internal function within LO that allows the end user to change the UI/Help language by retrieving the required langpacks? It would solve all these issues of some external bug/feature overring consumer choice. It would also

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
In a way, user-wise most of such infrastructure is already there - we have the extensions and extension manager. The extension manager should maybe be more user-friendly in the part of offering language packs, templates etc., but that is not necessary in the first phase. Probably it would be

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Rimas Kudelis
Hi, not sure what all the fuss is about, and i'm not even using Ubuntu, but if the problem is that under Ubuntu, language-pack-xx does not automatically install libreoffice-help-xx-yy, then here's how I think the problem could be solved without investing too much sweat into it: a) submit a patch

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Tom Davies
it or something similar or better.  Regards from Tom :)  From: Rimas Kudelis r...@akl.lt To: l10n@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013, 17:23 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu Hi, not sure what all the fuss is about

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Hi, Tom, we are discussing how to solve this bug that makes localized LibreOffice perform substandard compared to all other OS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-defaults-it/+bug/957589 Thanks, m. 2013/1/17 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi :) Sorry. It's not a problem. -- Unsubscribe

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Hi, Le 17/01/2013 21:27, Michael Bauer a écrit : Maybe in the short term but in the long term, a LO internal solution will be needed ANYWAY. Why? Because if LO is really going to make the leap to tablets/mobile devices, it will either mean enabling such a feature or it will mean consciously

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Bauer
I understand that. But that approach ties LO into a process whereby it's at the whim of the ability or willingness of someone else to change/fix *their* system. In the case of Ubuntu, that's doable of course. But if such an issues arises in Windows, OSX, Android or some other proprietary

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice on Ubuntu

2013-01-17 Thread Rimas Kudelis
Hi Michael, I think you missed Jean-Baptiste's point. If I'm reading correctly, his point was that Ubuntu has effectively broken the functionality that we already have in place (ability to change the UI/help language). Rimas 2013.01.18 00:18, Michael Bauer write: I understand that. But that