Re: [lace] Copyright -- again :)

2003-08-29 Thread palmhaven
Joy, one should never quote themselves. The "skew", using your words is a factual question and would go to a jury. Whether Buck's pricking of the Channer Mat is even copyrightable by Bean or Buck is a thorny legal question, since Channer had published the mat previously and it was already in the

[lace] RE: lace classes

2003-08-29 Thread Barbara Filippone
The price for the adult school lace class being discussed is typical of California classes. Clearly it is well under-priced for the value. I have been in this class for a few years. The teacher is incredible and we have 25-30 students every week. Many of the "students" are very experienced lace

[lace] Stroppy

2003-08-29 Thread Jean Nathan
I always understood 'stroppy' to be short for obstreperous, which means turbulent or unruly, but my dictionary says it's origin is unknown, and that it means bad tempered or awkward to deal with (which means the same thing as obstreperous). Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROT

[lace] FYI: So. CAL Bobbin lace class

2003-08-29 Thread Jean Nathan
YSandra wrote: Is that typical of the cost of lacemaking classes run by school districts in the adult education department? Through adult education, I've got a choice of a 2 hour x 24 week class in Poole for 120 pounds (190 dollars), but 84 pounds (132 dollars) for women over 60 (men over 65),

[lace] Re: copyright

2003-08-29 Thread Brenda Paternoster
On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 10:17 PM, I wrote: On the subject of Miss Channer's mat; copyright is the right to exactly reproduce. I believe that if you own a worked mat (from a purchased pricking), and then re-drew it from scratch using a suitable grid you would own the copyright on the new

RE: [lace] Dolphin and bobbin

2003-08-29 Thread Patricia Dowden
. . . I think we chose well, dolphins are beautiful, do a lot of talking and can be stroppy! jenny barron Scotland Oh Jenny, I am delighted. Please tell us what 'stroppy' means. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [lace] Dolphin and bobbin

2003-08-29 Thread Barron
Jean in Poole said Is there some significance in the relationship between the dolphin and bobbin lacemaking? I ask because the emblem for Poole Bobbin Lace Circle is a dolphin on top of a Bucks Thumper bobbin. The signigicance of the dolphin in this case is that it's the emblem of the town of Poole

Re: [lace] Copyright -- again :)

2003-08-29 Thread Patsy A. Goodman
This reminds me of something my husband used to say to me when I used to say "well, at least it keeps me out of the bars." He would always reply "I wish you'd go to the bar, at least someone might buy you a drink, when was the last time someone bought you some thread or bobbins." LOL Patsy A. G

[lace] FYI: So. CAL Bobbin lace class

2003-08-29 Thread ysandra sliverneedle
I found out at our local county fair that one of the school districts in the adult education department was teaching bobbin lace classes. Fee is right (depending on age $10.00 or $20.00 for the younger under 50 crowd- sometimes it pays to be older). I just signed up so it will be interesting. The c

Re: [lace] Copyright -- again :)

2003-08-29 Thread Joy Beeson
At 01:23 AM 8/29/03 -0400, Tamara P. Duvall wrote: >In many-messages-ago, Clay asked how one could possibly measure the >15-20% of "skew", when it came to an original (artistic) design... You don't. "If I change it X%, then it's mine" is one of the most-persistent of the myths listed at ht

Re: [lace] Niven Flanders Pattern 11 Observation and Question

2003-08-29 Thread Steph Peters
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:48:52 -0400, Marcie wrote: >I have begun the process of turning the pricking for Pattern 11 in >Niven's Flanders Lace book (pgs. 52 - 53 in the new edition) into a >rectangular mat and have been going over the diagram vs. my >semi-finished product. While I was at it I notice

[lace] Pompi Parry

2003-08-29 Thread Diane Williams
Does anyone have an email address for Pompi Parry or can ask her to reply to me? I have a question about some of the photos in her book about the history of Downton Lace. Thank you! = Diane Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galena Illinois USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yaho

[lace] Dolphin and bobbin

2003-08-29 Thread Jean Nathan
Jenny wrote: Is there some significance in the relationship between the dolphin and bobbin lacemaking? I ask because the emblem for Poole Bobbin Lace Circle is a dolphin on top of a Bucks Thumper bobbin. The signigicance of the dolphin in this case is that it's the emblem of the town of Poole, w

[lace] dolphin

2003-08-29 Thread Barron
3) -most important Has anyone made a pattern I can beg, or borrow but not steal of the dolphin-over-bobbin motif? Viv Could replies be posted to the list, the dolphin leaping over a midland bobbin is the emblem of my lace group (Moray Lacemakers) and I'd love to make the emblem in lace but havin

[lace] just wanted to say hello again

2003-08-29 Thread susan
i have been away at navy bootcamp, so i havn't been able to check my emails. forgot to unsubscribe before i left, and just found about 1000 email messages in my email. oh well! hope everyone is doing great, and i hope to find some nice lace shops in florida where i'll be going for school. if

Re: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat URL

2003-08-29 Thread Viv Dewar
I've just had another look and, 1) Gosh it looks hard 2) I know exactly what Tamara means 3) -most important Has anyone made a pattern I can beg, or borrow but not steal of the dolphin-over-bobbin motif? Viv - Original Message - From: "Patricia Dowden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PR

RE: [lace] confused about thread

2003-08-29 Thread Panza, Robin
>>>From: Whitham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I went to my thread collection and found linen Goldchilds Nel 80/3, Nm 50/3, which at first I thought I could use until I decided that the B meant bomuld (cotton). Now I am really confused. Why the 2 numbers on the thread? Are linen and cotton threads n

[lace] Fall weekend/lace day at Sweet Briar

2003-08-29 Thread Clay Blackwell
Hi Spiders! As many of you heard while you were at IOLI, a wonderful new resource for lacemakers and lace historians is being established at Sweet Briar College in Virginia. The J. Margaret Barber-Jane Connin Lace Study Collection is going to be joining the Sweet Briar Collection this weekend, wh

Re: [lace] Niven Flanders Pattern 11 Observation and Question

2003-08-29 Thread Lorelei Halley
Marcie I haven't got that far in Niven yet, but I looked at the book. What I would do is just omit one of the dots on the pricking, and just treat it as a printing press stutter. That seems the simplest solution. Treating it as a two point exchange would require a ring pair, which there isn't. L

[lace] confused about thread

2003-08-29 Thread Whitham
Hello lacemakers, I have a few questions about thread. I found a pattern that I want to do, it is a pattern by Karen Trend Nissen. On the pattern it has a note: 24 par tr. nr. 80/3 B. I think it means 24 pairs, thread # 80/3 Bomuld (cotton). Is this correct? Could anyone please tell me what

Re: [lace] Copyright -- again :)

2003-08-29 Thread palmhaven
You are right, Tamara, I don't think the name has a ring I would want to be associated with. Besides there can't be that many legal questions to lace. Your reasoning is sound about the tax quagmire. It is not worth it. Unless you can show a profit every five years it is considered a hobby anywa

[lace] Niven Flanders Pattern 11 Observation and Question

2003-08-29 Thread Marcie Greer
I have begun the process of turning the pricking for Pattern 11 in Niven's Flanders Lace book (pgs. 52 - 53 in the new edition) into a rectangular mat and have been going over the diagram vs. my semi-finished product. While I was at it I noticed that the diagram and the pricking don't match. Most

Re: [lace] Copyright -- again :)

2003-08-29 Thread Clive and Betty Ann Rice
Tamara, You do have a way with wordsAnd, we're going to miss you at Sweet Briar in October... B.A. Tamara P. Duvall wrote: > -- her customers didn't know a URL from a U-Haul... I finally said that I > wasn't ready to enter the tax quagmire for the "cut" I might be expected to > get, and she

[lace] challange

2003-08-29 Thread Diana Smith
I can only agree with, I think it was, ?Aurelia who said why not take a look at the Sivewright/Pope book published by Springetts which includes some really beautiful 'fine' Bucks, which the Channer mat is not unless it is reduced considerably, when I made it 10 years ago I used a Mimosa 60 thread w

[lace] RE: Channer's Mat-boring-challenging etc

2003-08-29 Thread Ian & Chelle Long
Gidday Vivienne and all, <

[lace] Re: copyright and copying magazines

2003-08-29 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
Sorry for the PS; ought to have included it with my previous, long, message... On Thursday, Aug 28, 2003, at 15:07 US/Eastern, Jane Partridge wrote: As I understand it - in terms of British copyright, anyway, in this sort of case the author/designer holds copyright to the article/pattern but th

[lace] Copyright -- again :)

2003-08-29 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Thursday, Aug 28, 2003, at 10:25 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Devon)wrote: I had the interesting experience of writing an article for the IOL Bulletin and later receiving a request to translate it into German for publication in a German Lace Mag. I had no idea what the legal status of this

[lace] Re: I forgot to mention...Milanese workshop

2003-08-29 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Thursday, Aug 28, 2003, at 10:21 US/Eastern, Celtic Dream Weaver (Sherry) wrote: I will be in Ithaca,New York and will be taking the Milanese Workshop Sat-Monday. [...] Is there anyone else on the list that will be in this workshop too... *Not* the same workshop, but I got into the Polychrome

Re: [lace] The Mat Controversy

2003-08-29 Thread Pene Piip
Adele wrote: (By the way, the Australian and Canadian legislation is that copyright ends 50 years after the end of the year in which the creator died, so The Mat was copyright-free at the beginning of 2000) Then why don't the Australian Lace Guild & a Canadian lace guild republish the pattern for s