Re: L&I Vampire Killer

1998-03-27 Thread Kathy E
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Sue :) In answer to your question, those who are cannibals are given a private cell, for obvious reasons. :) And nope he didn't cook his snack that night, he didn't have the means to :) Sue Hartigan wrote: > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >

Re: L&I Serial Killers

1998-03-27 Thread Diane M. Michalak
"Diane M. Michalak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, I was wondering if serial killers vary there methods of killing or > finding a victim to avoid detection or do they follow predictable patterns, > Jack the Ripper was a serial killer was he not and although he was never > caught his attacks

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread Kathy E
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Linda :) >From looking at this, in reality the child is not considered a person unless it's born. I would assume alive. Thus if it's injured during a beating of the mother and born DOA I would think there is nothing they could do about it, unless they can

L&I Cops on line

1998-03-27 Thread Kathy E
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi All :) Here's something new you might be interested in looking at :) Copsonline has hit the radio air waves on the Internet. Retro-rock.com and Copsonline creator Mack Pettigrew have teamed up to create the Retro-Rock Copsonline Show. This show can be hear

Re: L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Dr. L.: Now I am dizzy. LOL On the California Law Page, http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html , there are 29 different sections each dealing with different aspects of the law. Family, Civil, Penal, Vehicle, etc. I did find out that it didn't m

Re: L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated

1998-03-27 Thread Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D.
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: You don't seem confused to me, Sue, you seem modest. But HERE is confused: in the Ward criminal case they seem to rely on Civil Code, that is Family Law code, do they not? I am not familiar with California Law, but hereabouts Fami

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D.
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Terry - yes. Yes. In attenuated fashion I just posted related thoughts to Bill; I hope you get a chance to see it, it should arrive just a minute before this post. But I think you have said *more*, and this would be quite impor

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D.
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Oh I see Bill, I can buy that, you're quite clear. It's like in the Civil Code the rights vest at conception but they don't accrue til birth (is that a valid extrapolation of your position? Hope you'll comment). Something like tha

L&I 40-50 people murdered?

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: A respiratory therapist at Glendale Community Hospital, has just admitted to killing between 40-50 patients over the past few years. He says he did this for humanitarian purposes. The news is just breaking in LA. Sue Sue -- Two rules in life: 1. Do

Re: L&I COTD: Pennsylvania Unsolved murders

1998-03-27 Thread DocCec
DocCec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: In a message dated 98-03-27 17:55:37 EST, you write: << Yet your rapist in reality does not fit the others MO since he's letting his victims live. Usually they escalate to killing the victims but don't go in reverse to not killing them. >> I don't know tha

Re: L&I Re: Is a Fetus a Person? + Liquid air for premamture births

1998-03-27 Thread Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D.
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Doc - far from being sorry, we're thrilled that we asked if we get responses like yours, an entire education. And you've written it out so cleary, so thanks. Thanks! Now, would a law that said there are rights and protections f

L&I COTD: Tahl, William Albert Autur

1998-03-27 Thread Kathy E
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: An American Eskimo, Tahl clashed with authority for the first time at age three, after deliberately hurling a brick through a window. More arrests followed, but his crimes remained petty until the spring of 1965, when unexpected violent urges surfaced at th

L&I Jones: Closing Arguments Verdict watch March 27

1998-03-27 Thread Kathy E
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: One day after defendant Reco Jones's controversial testimony, both the prosecution and the defense presented closing arguments, with prosecutor Kevin Simowski portraying Jones as a cold-blooded killer who ate lunch as the bodies of his ex-girlfriend Y

L&I Netcourt and Netscape

1998-03-27 Thread Kathy E
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi all :) I'm not sure how many of you are members to Netcourt, I am and they have a real nice service for trial transcripts, but here's a notice from them for those who are interested :) (As you can tell I'm a bit behind in email yet again, I have decided th

L&I Re: Polygraph Testing

1998-03-27 Thread hallinan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Jackie and Terry :) This message is to long... Hi Jackie, I am responding to what I got from Kathy. >> I have snipped and am responding to the pertinent parts of your post. First, >> I gather that unless you can provide a site

L&I Fire fighters Manual UFO Chapter

1998-03-27 Thread Steve Wright
"Steve Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I have found on the net the UFO chapter in the Fire fighters Manual on the net. Its pretty large though (51k), if anyone would like to read it. I'll mail it to them, I wouldn't want to cause our host any trouble though so I won't post it. Just to let y

L&I Steve on his way to jail

1998-03-27 Thread Steve Wright
"Steve Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The first note for anyone who decides they are smarter than the DA, You are NOT smarter than the DA it is NOT advisable to attempt to prove you are, it will do nothing but end up showing a side of you that you do NOT want the jury to see. Second note

Re: L&I Re: Update Ruthann Aron trial

1998-03-27 Thread Kathy E
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The cross was unbelievable! I was constantly going from open mouthed shock to LOL, I have NEVER seen a cross like this! It was a work of wonder! LOL I just emailed the summary to the list :) I expect a quick conviction, as soon as he tried to claim the 5th th

L&I Jones: Perry Mason aka as Summary March 26

1998-03-27 Thread Kathy E
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The first note for anyone who decides they are smarter than the DA, You are NOT smarter than the DA it is NOT advisable to attempt to prove you are, it will do nothing but end up showing a side of you that you do NOT want the jury to see. Second note if your g

Re: L&I COTD: Pennsylvania Unsolved murders

1998-03-27 Thread Kathy E
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Doc :) One never knows, usually the only reason the crime spree stops is the assaulter has gone to prison, died or left the area. At least that is what has always happened in the past. For them to stop on their own is unheard of at least to my knowledge. Y

Re: L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Bill: You said it exactly the way that it is probably ment to be taken, however in the Supreme Court decision it says: While there is no statutory definition of "child," the Legislature has defined "minor" to mean "an individual who is under 18 years

Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Bill: Thanks. Now I know one additional fact concerning Whitewater. :) Sue > > HI Sue, > > One correction here. The Clintons lost money on their Whitewater > investments. > > Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you kno

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Terry: You have it exactly the way that I see it. And the thing I can't understand is how can they say in the civil law that the fetus is a child, and then the Supreme Court say it isn't. Can't have it both ways, IMO. Either it is, or it isn't.

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread hallinan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seems rather clear to me, Linda. The most extreme case is when a fetus is killed which is not covered by 43.1. That has been found to be murder when it is done without the mother's consent. But if a fetus is to be "deemed an existing person, so far as necessary for t

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Linda, I still think that the way the statute reads the fetus must be "subsequently born" before he/she can have legal standing with respect to any rights. Yes, the large interest in the mother's protection and survival is paramount with respe

Re: L&I Re: Is a Fetus a Person? + Liquid air for premamture births

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Steve: On the abortion issue, I think that Terry brought up something that to me makes sense. That issue relates to the rights of the woman. In this case the woman's rights were violated because she had no choice as to whether her baby was or wasn't

L&I California Supreme Court Decision regarding death of fetus by father

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Here is the Supreme Court decision. What it comes down to is: "A pregnant woman is not a "mother" and a fetus is not a "child" as those terms are used in that section. Accordingly, the section had no application to the defendant. The judgment on count

Re: L&I Re: Is a Fetus a Person? + Liquid air for premamture births

1998-03-27 Thread DocCec
DocCec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: In a message dated 98-03-27 14:44:21 EST, you write: << Hi Steve - you have added a new time of accrual of 'personhood'! Offline we had discussed the standards that date 'personhood' from conception (the East), from the first independent breath (one and onl

RE: L&I MJ12 Documents

1998-03-27 Thread Steve Wright
"Steve Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I would like to apologize to you all for the large file size, I thought that no matter what way I post them there going to take the same amount of time to download. Hope you find them interesting. Best Spooky::-) =

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D.
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: H Bill - I am having a bit of trouble finding Susan's post of the civil statute. Here are two relevant paragraphs I had clipped out, suggesting that an unborn offspring is a child and thus a person, with life and liberty rights. T

Re: L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated

1998-03-27 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:43:22 -0500 (EST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes [in part]: > >>Ironically, the law does not specify the rights of a fetus who is NOT >>"subsequently

Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych

1998-03-27 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Sue, One correction here. The Clintons lost money on their Whitewater investments. Bill On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:55:47 -0800 Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Hi Terry: > >I have to admit

Re: L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated

1998-03-27 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Sue, I don't thnk the law said that the fetus was a child before birth. As I said, I think the key element here is that the fetus is subsequently born. The implication is that if the fetus is not subsequently born then no rights are conveyed

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Linda, It seems to be a type of Catch 22 situation. I have heard of cases (wish I could remember the reference names) where the state has waited until the birth of a baby to determine if damage had been done to the fetus when the mother was as

Re: L&I Re: Is a Fetus a Person? + Liquid air for premamture births

1998-03-27 Thread Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D.
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Steve - you have added a new time of accrual of 'personhood'! Offline we had discussed the standards that date 'personhood' from conception (the East), from the first independent breath (one and only one of the American Views)

L&I MJ12 Documents

1998-03-27 Thread Steve Wright
"Steve Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MJ12 Documents One of the most controversial documents to be uncovered in the anals of UFO research is called the MJ Documents. These documents were left under Jaime Shandera's home door by an unknown source in 1984. At this Mr. Shandera was a producer

L&I Re: Is a Fetus a Person? + Liquid air for premamture births

1998-03-27 Thread Steve Wright
"Steve Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >There are a lot of technical and basically humanistic questions here, >and all posts will help... glad you chose to post, and please feel free >to correct or amend the above. :) Best, LDMF. > As far as the law goes over here a fetus is not a baby or

L&I Serial Killers

1998-03-27 Thread Steve Wright
"Steve Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi, I was wondering if serial killers vary there methods of killing or finding a victim to avoid detection or do they follow predictable patterns, Jack the Ripper was a serial killer was he not and although he was never caught his attacks were always t

Re: L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Terry: Believe me you are helping. And we appreciate it. Yes I do remember that case. Please keep giving any ideas that you have. My idea here is that if the woman had been holding the child in her arms when the father attacked her and the child

Re: L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated

1998-03-27 Thread hallinan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes [in part]: >Ironically, the law does not specify the rights of a fetus who is NOT >"subsequently born" but dies as a result of the criminal action. Given >the legality of abortion, it seems a defense attorney could argue

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D.
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Bill - agreed, in the civil case the fetus would simply have prospective standing, it seems: future access to relief, once being born But the criminal code wouldn't even give *that* much. Based on argments from "majority" supp

Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych

1998-03-27 Thread Steve Wright
"Steve Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Move over, Steve. Didn't we establish that Satan is a woman? Get off my >throne, buddy! >Cec Steve, quickly puts his tail between his legs and scurries into a corner hoping that the master will show leniency Spooky and Scared Subscribe/Unsubscr

Re: L&I Serial Killers/Definition

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Kathy and Terry: Wouldn't anyone who kills, no matter what the reason, a "series" of people be consider a serial killer. Be it revenge, sexual, or otherwise. Just wondering. :) Sue > > Hi Kathy, > > >As I said before I am by far not a expert on

Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Terry: I have to admit I know next to nothing about what happened with Whitewater. What I do know is; Susan McDougal and her husband either owned or ran a bank and they agreed to give loans that were not legal. There was some land that someone owne

Re: L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >43. Besides the personal rights mentioned or recognized in the > >Government Code, every person has, subject to the qualifications and > >restrictions provided by law, the right of protection from bodily > >restraint or harm, from personal insult, fro

Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych

1998-03-27 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:27:11 -0500 (EST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >>Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>Hi Terry: >> >>Sounds like good old political talking to me. LOL >> >>Seriously though there isn't an

Re: L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated

1998-03-27 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > > >43. Besides the personal rights mentioned or recognized in the >Government Code, every person has, subject to the qualifications and >restrictions provided by law, the right of protection from bodily >restraint or harm, from personal insult,

L&I Serial Killers/Definition

1998-03-27 Thread hallinan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy, >Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >As I said before I am by far not a expert on SK's I do know a bit about >them though... Only a fool would question that. :-} >The extra Chromosome as you are discussing below may be a key into the >cause of SK's, it's

Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych

1998-03-27 Thread hallinan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Hi Terry: > >Sounds like good old political talking to me. LOL > >Seriously though there isn't any way to prove one way or the other if >Hillary knew what was going on, unless she talked to someone about it. > >Sue OK, Sue,

Re: L&I Study Confirms Deficit in the Brainstem of SIDS Victims

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Jackie: Bobby keeps telling me just to play around with it. That is the only way to learn. But every time I do something like that it takes him about 4 or more hours to figure out how to clean up the mess I make. Seems that I never remember what it

Re: Vampire Killing was Re: L&I Question

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Jackie: Do you think it is possible that the antisocial behavior could be due to the fact that there is so many different ways now to relate to people without face to face confrontation. Such as email. :) People don't have to get involved personall

Re: L&I Jim McDougal

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Jackie: I think that you are right about that one. Even during his first campaign he was running with the Hollywood celebs, and was sort of a part of them. Even went on the Arsenio Hall show and played his horn. People do tend to forgive celebs any

Re: L&I I'm bewildered! I'm Shocked! In reality I'm fed up with the BS

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Jackie: Sounds good to me. But we definately need to go after the big bucks, because Ed is going to want a big percentage of this thing, that is for sure. > > Hi Sue > > LOL How about a percentage of what I get?? > > jackief -- Two rules in l

Re: L&I Re: Polygraph Testing/Jackie, Sue

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Jackie: It is mostly mumbo jumbo. Nothing anyone could understand much less use against someone. Sue > > Hi Dr. L > > Sue would know more than me about sodium penothol. I only know from > experience the effects of the stuff. Yep, Sue, some peop

Re: L&I Another Woman-Clinton

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Jackie: Someone on one of those Sunday News shows said that the WH and everyone on the "hill" keep right up on those polls that are published. I'm sure that they are all aware of the publics feelings about Clinton. I honestly don't think it will g