Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Vincent Snijders
Hans-Peter Diettrich schreef: IMO a good add-on to the Lazarus is invisible? thread. Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: [snip] DoDi, your attitude does not help the Lazarus image. Lazarus, like many (most?) OS projects *is* difficult to understand when looking through the eyes of a person not

Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 30 January 2010 02:35, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you improve the wiki then? The idea is that people can independently find what they think needs improvement and improve it. Felipe, I think this is a catch-22 situation. If you don't know

Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Vincent Snijders
Graeme Geldenhuys schreef: On 30 January 2010 03:26, Andrew Brunner andrew.t.brun...@gmail.com wrote: IMO if you MUST know where to look for information regarding FPC/Lazarus. I think a birds-eye view of stuff should be easily accessible and intuitive. Correct, but the FIRST problem is the

Re: [Lazarus] Cross Compile: Host Linux amd64; Guests: Linux i386, Win32, Win64

2010-01-30 Thread Benito van der Zander
Using the scripts I managed to create Debian packages for Win32 crosscompiler. In this case I can not install because the package is not generated for the amd64 architecture, it is a package for the i386 architecture, this is correct? you can install and run the i386 package on amd64, you

Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Juha Manninen schrieb: 1. Mention about FPC and a link for downloading and installing it. Now there is a link to Free Pascal but its relation to Lazarus is not obvious to a beginner. Lazarus comes with FPC? -- ___ Lazarus mailing list

Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 30 January 2010 12:54, Vincent Snijders vsnijd...@vodafonevast.nl wrote: The main page contains links to Downloads and Mailing list information on prominent places. AFAIK the Lazarus team doesn't have web designer, and that shows. A product website firstly gives a bit of summary

Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 30 January 2010 13:55, Florian Klaempfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Lazarus comes with FPC? Don't confuse Windows only features, with other platforms. What about Mac, FreeBSD, Linux users? FPC doesn't come with those. -- Regards, - Graeme -

Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Marc Weustink
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 30 January 2010 12:54, Vincent Snijders vsnijd...@vodafonevast.nl wrote: The main page contains links to Downloads and Mailing list information on prominent places. AFAIK the Lazarus team doesn't have web designer, and that shows. A product website firstly gives a

Re: [Lazarus] Mouse move event

2010-01-30 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Milan Baša schrieb: How can I catch mouse move event when Form is down in Taskbar ? FormMouseMove works only with active Form on the screen. Right, mouse moves are only sent to a visible form. You may Capture the mouse, but with a minimized application this doesn't make much sense. DoDi

[Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 1: the appearance

2010-01-30 Thread Bee Jay
Hi all, Continuing our discussion on the other thread, let's get some real action. From this email, I will suggest and collecting some ideas about what we're gonna do with Lazarus web site (and also FPC?). If we settle with the whole things, we could ask some volunteers to do some works

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 1: the appearance

2010-01-30 Thread dmitry boyarintsev
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Bee Jay bee.ogra...@gmail.com wrote: If we settle with the whole things, we could ask some volunteers to do some works over the agreed ideas. I'd start searching volunteers first :) thanks, dmitry -- ___ Lazarus

[Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 2: the content

2010-01-30 Thread Bee Jay
Hi all, Now, let's talk about the content and its structure. From the first email, I have shared some references, maybe we could go from there. Some things need to be considered are: - what contents we're gonna provide to the visitors? - which contents need to be displayed on the main page?

[Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 3: the merger

2010-01-30 Thread Bee Jay
Hi all, The last thing is: should we merge FPC and Lazarus? If so, why? If not, what's the reason? This is important, IMO. Most people know Lazarus is the official FPC IDE. Also because it would also effect on the whole website design. If they're separated, should we also reconstruct the

[Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread Bee Jay
Hi all, One more thing, but this is optional, we should give the decision to the one who are gonna do the real work: what tool are we going to use to serve the backend? PHP? Wordpress? Joomla? fpWeb? Honestly, I expect it would be build using fpWeb. Because we could prove by itself that

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010, Bee Jay wrote: Hi all, One more thing, but this is optional, we should give the decision to the one who are gonna do the real work: what tool are we going to use to serve the backend? PHP? Wordpress? Joomla? fpWeb? Honestly, I expect it would be build using fpWeb.

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread Bee Jay
At the very least, this point has my vote :-) I'll contribute my yunior designer work on this effort. I'll confirm this by Monday. I'll personally supervise his work. He's able to produce the HTML, CSS, and required JS for the design. So, it's only the front-end part. Would you do the

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 3: the merger

2010-01-30 Thread Bee Jay
The last thing is: should we merge FPC and Lazarus? If so, why? If not, what's the reason? I prefer that both are merged, but with separated content. This would make the website maintenance easier and focus. Let's hear what others would say. :) -- -Bee- ...making buzzes at

Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 04:11:59PM +0100, J?rgen Hestermann wrote: Developing software isn't about just clicking somewhere. It's also about knowing where to find your info. Well, although I see why it is how it is I have to fully agree with Graeme regarding the very confusing web pages

Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Bee Jay
I'm not trying to be rude or anything, I am simple pointing out the obvious faults of the current first port of call website new users get when they want to know about the Lazarus project. Why make it so difficult for new users? @all: Enough talking and let's do the real work. FPC/Lazarus is

Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Lee Jenkins
Andrew Brunner wrote: IMO if you MUST know where to look for information regarding FPC/Lazarus. I think a birds-eye view of stuff should be easily accessible and intuitive. Unfortunately, the complicated nature of this universal development tool requires much content management technology to

Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Bart
On 1/30/10, Marc Weustink m...@dommelstein.net wrote: * What is Lazarus? About lazarus ? * Where can I documentation (IDE LCL)? Wiki ? * Where can I get installation/setup instructions? * Where can I download it from? Download ? All those links are in the (tiny) menu on the

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread Paul Ishenin
30.01.2010 23:00, Bee Jay wrote: For development reason, I still prefer fpWeb. Yes, we would reinvent the wheel, if we say in CMS world as there are many ready-to-use CMS out there, though mostly build using PHP (and mysql). But, in pascal world, it maybe the first CMS that's build using

Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Lee Jenkins
Andreas Schneider wrote: Am Freitag 29 Januar 2010 23:36:02 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich: IMO a good add-on to the Lazarus is invisible? thread. I think a great problem for many of those people in this thread comes from the fact that (as they state) try it from time to time. That means,

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 30 January 2010 18:00, Bee Jay bee.ogra...@gmail.com wrote: and showcase for FPC/Lazarus. And for the database, personally, I much prefer Firebird, for many reasons. But, again, that's me. +1 here. Firebird is so much better than MySQL. I really don't understand the hype around MySQL. --

Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Nice screenshot Marc. :-) 2010/1/30 Marc Weustink m...@dommelstein.net:  * What is Lazarus? About lazarus ? I think this needs higher visibility than a small link. Some of that content should really be on the front page.  * Where can I documentation (IDE LCL)? Wiki ? Well, that's not

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010, Paul Ishenin wrote: 30.01.2010 23:00, Bee Jay wrote: For development reason, I still prefer fpWeb. Yes, we would reinvent the wheel, if we say in CMS world as there are many ready-to-use CMS out there, though mostly build using PHP (and mysql). But, in pascal world, it

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 1: the appearance

2010-01-30 Thread Juha Manninen
Hi. - how we gonna appear Lazarus to the audience? cool? serious? funky? funny? Make a joke about Pascal as a historical language which is only for people stuck in the past. Back to 1980's anyone ... Don Johnson -- Miami Vice -- Bee Gees -- Free Pascal Compiler! The fact is that Pascal is

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread Marc Weustink
Paul Ishenin wrote: 30.01.2010 21:34, Bee Jay wrote: One more thing, but this is optional, we should give the decision to the one who are gonna do the real work: what tool are we going to use to serve the backend? PHP? Wordpress? Joomla? fpWeb? Honestly, I expect it would be build using

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread Marc Weustink
Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Sat, 30 Jan 2010, Paul Ishenin wrote: 30.01.2010 23:00, Bee Jay wrote: For development reason, I still prefer fpWeb. Yes, we would reinvent the wheel, if we say in CMS world as there are many ready-to-use CMS out there, though mostly build using PHP (and

Re: [Lazarus] [Fwd: Re: Is Lazarus a Delphi plagiat?]

2010-01-30 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Marco van de Voort schrieb: I also had a hard time starting with Lazarus/Free Pascal and it's still not easy to find information. Do realize though that it is the constant change in the project that causes this mostly. You'd need to revise the whole detailed website and all docs every 3

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread waldo kitty
On 1/30/2010 18:51, Marc Weustink wrote: Paul Ishenin wrote: 30.01.2010 21:34, Bee Jay wrote: One more thing, but this is optional, we should give the decision to the one who are gonna do the real work: what tool are we going to use to serve the backend? PHP? Wordpress? Joomla? fpWeb?

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread Zaher Dirkey
Before use pascal (fbWeb or others), you must ask how many users will use it in the future (use the project in there site), because those user will improves the project by send bugs and patches. SY, Zaher Dirkey -- ___ Lazarus mailing list

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 31 January 2010 01:52, Marc Weustink m...@dommelstein.net wrote: If it is to be for the FPC website too, then Firebird is a must. When talking databases, I'd prefer Postgresql. Postgresql eluded me for many years (I don't know why). I was pleasantly surprised when I took a look at

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread Zaher Dirkey
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.comwrote: On 31 January 2010 01:52, Marc Weustink m...@dommelstein.net wrote: If it is to be for the FPC website too, then Firebird is a must. When talking databases, I'd prefer Postgresql. Postgresql eluded me for

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread Dave Coventry
2010/1/31 Zaher Dirkey parm...@gmail.com: Firebird has less features than Postgresql but Postgresql has bad client (for me), I prefer FirebirdSQL. If you're going to use Drupal, then I think the options are MySQL or Postgres. Personally I don't like MySQL; I think it's weaker than Postgres.

Re: [Lazarus] Reconstructing Lazarus Website 4: the dev tool

2010-01-30 Thread zeljko
On Sunday 31 January 2010 00:52, Marc Weustink wrote: When talking databeses, I'd prefer Postgresql. +1 zeljko -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus