Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Craig Peterson
On Sep 3, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > I don't know who Uwe is, I just got to his website by following various links > on the internet. Is Uwe an Embarcadero employee? No, just a community member. In addition to the project you linked to he maintains the open source version of

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Mattias Gaertner
Please create a bug report for the favorites bug and move this topic to lazarus-other. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 03/09/12 09:45, Michael Schnell wrote: But Total Commander and FreeCommander are a lot more versatile (e.g. they do filtering, very handy searching, ftp and digging into archives). I'm not sure if this was comparing to Dolphin or Midnight Commander. If you meant the latter, then I can eas

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 03/09/12 09:48, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: I use Double Commander in Linux and Windows: it is easier to use cross-platform apps then changing my apps for each operating system. I use Total Commander under Windows, Midnight Commander under Linux and FreeBSD. I can even SSH from a Wi

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Kostas Michalopoulos
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Michael Schnell wrote: > On 09/03/2012 10:31 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: >> >> >> Simply use Midnight Commander > > > (Sorry, very off-topic): > > That is exactly what I do (when not using KDE's "dolphin". But Total > Commander and FreeCommander are a lot more ver

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Apart from licensing issues, which may require to keep the source closed, why should somebody ever open up his own source code? Before all, everybody has to earn his living. Only then it's possible at all to contribute to community projects for free. As somebody e

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
I use Double Commander in Linux and Windows: it is easier to use cross-platform apps then changing my apps for each operating system. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.f

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Michael Schnell
On 09/03/2012 10:31 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Simply use Midnight Commander (Sorry, very off-topic): That is exactly what I do (when not using KDE's "dolphin". But Total Commander and FreeCommander are a lot more versatile (e.g. they do filtering, very handy searching, ftp and digging in

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 03/09/12 08:55, Michael Schnell wrote: Since many Years I use (a legal payed for copy of) TotalCommander (called WinCommander before), which is a program done with Delphi. I now would love to use it in Linux, Total Commander is "paid for" software, so I have no problem with it being a clos

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 03/09/12 09:06, michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: You can try "double commander". It is written in Lazarus. There is another one, but I cannot remember the name of it. Wow, I got a bit lost there... the topic changing from coder mentality to file managers. I see the URL is quote does have

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Michael Schnell
On 09/03/2012 10:06 AM, michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: You can try "double commander". It is written in Lazarus. There is another one, but I cannot remember the name of it. I did evaluate double commander. But (last time I checked) it's much less grown up than free commander. In a perfect o

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Michael Schnell
On 09/03/2012 08:26 AM, Marc Santhoff wrote: Am Sonntag, den 02.09.2012, 23:48 -0400 schrieb Rolf Grunsky: Open Source != free of charge Yeah ! There is a growing consulting business doing payed jobs producing or enhancing open source projects. OTOH "License enforcement by obfuscation" IM

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, Michael Schnell wrote: On 09/03/2012 12:35 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: So if I get hit by a bus tomorrow, tough sh*t to all of you, my work will be lost forever. What weird mentality. I just got hit by a very bad (for me) example for this: "FreeCommander". Since many

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Michael Schnell
On 09/03/2012 12:35 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: So if I get hit by a bus tomorrow, tough sh*t to all of you, my work will be lost forever. What weird mentality. I just got hit by a very bad (for me) example for this: "FreeCommander". Since many Years I use (a legal payed for copy of) TotalCo

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Thanks Chavoux. You understood my post perfectly. Your idea of "testing the water" could very well explain why many keep some utility apps or small products closed source... with the hopes of later selling a "delux" version [I haven't seen that word used in software in years :) ]. Thanks for

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hi Craig, Thanks for your informative answer... What you said could explain the reason for him keeping his work closed source. I don't know who Uwe is, I just got to his website by following various links on the internet. Is Uwe an Embarcadero employee? Regards, Graeme. -- _

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-03 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 03/09/12 03:15, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: First of all, this topic should go into Lazarus-other. Sorry, I forgot that list existed. Apart from licensing issues, which may require to keep the source closed, why should somebody ever open up his own source code? That's the whole point.

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-02 Thread Marc Santhoff
Am Sonntag, den 02.09.2012, 23:48 -0400 schrieb Rolf Grunsky: > A not so minor historical note. Unix never was or is free. Unix was > developed at Bell Labs which was the R&D arm of AT&T. At the time, as a > regulated monopoly, AT&T could not sell the software and as a result, > made it availab

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-02 Thread Rolf Grunsky
On 12-09-02 10:15 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: GNU software was born when the previously free Unix source code was swallowed by a AT&T, and many *developers* needed a new base (OS, tools, libraries...) for their own work. These agreed to contribute to community projects, for free and by open s

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: I just want to start off by saying I'm glad I use Linux, and I'm glad I got introduced to Open Source software years ago. First of all, this topic should go into Lazarus-other. Anyway, as the subject says, I forgot how close minded some people can be. I also know th

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-02 Thread Chavoux Luyt
Hi guys On 3 September 2012 02:34, Craig Peterson wrote: > I don't think it's an open source vs closed source mentality. It's quite > possible that Uwe can't open source it; in the post you linked he even > mentions that he used knowledge of the compiler internals to implement it. > > I think w

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-02 Thread Alexander Klenin
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Craig Peterson wrote: > I don't think it's an open source vs closed source mentality. It's quite > possible that Uwe can't open source it; in the post you linked he even > mentions that he used knowledge of the compiler internals to implement it. After reading t

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-02 Thread Craig Peterson
I don't think it's an open source vs closed source mentality. It's quite possible that Uwe can't open source it; in the post you linked he even mentions that he used knowledge of the compiler internals to implement it. Andreas Hausladen's fix packs aren't open sourced either, and I know I've se

Re: [Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-02 Thread jjb
Why should he reveal his source to you if he doesn't want to? He owes you nothing. When you started benefiting from his code, were you misled that the source was available? Because Uwe charges you nothing, is he less entitled to protect his intellectual property than say MS for the source of MS Wor

[Lazarus] Proprietary vs Open Source mentality

2012-09-02 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
I just want to start off by saying I'm glad I use Linux, and I'm glad I got introduced to Open Source software years ago. Anyway, as the subject says, I forgot how close minded some people can be. I also know that Linux/*BSD users are more "open source" with there work (if you can phrase it li