Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-07 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Nov 2, 2007 9:05 PM, Micha Nelissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is this really necessary? Isn't stripping symbols from the end > > executable enougth? > > It's necessary, because -O2 code is usually more compact and faster; but > hard to debug. Has anyone ever made a comparation of -O1 and -

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-02 Thread Micha Nelissen
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > On 11/1/07, Micha Nelissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If then, the application is compiled in Release mode, automatically, the >> "release" version of e.g. the LCL/RTL/FCL would be used, which were >> compiled with -O2 for instance, while the debug version wa

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-02 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 11/1/07, Micha Nelissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If then, the application is compiled in Release mode, automatically, the > "release" version of e.g. the LCL/RTL/FCL would be used, which were > compiled with -O2 for instance, while the debug version was compiled > with '-O- -g' or similar.

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-01 Thread Micha Nelissen
Mattias Gaertner wrote: > On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:19:05 +0100 > Micha Nelissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If then, the application is compiled in Release mode, automatically, >> the "release" version of e.g. the LCL/RTL/FCL would be used, which >> were compiled with -O2 for instance, while the

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-01 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:19:05 +0100 Micha Nelissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > > If the compiler options dialog is to be redesigned I think it would > > be an oportunity to get customized build modes, like: Release, > > Debug, AnythingElse > > This is indeed a

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-01 Thread Micha Nelissen
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > If the compiler options dialog is to be redesigned I think it would be > an oportunity to get customized build modes, like: Release, Debug, > AnythingElse This is indeed a good idea, but it would be even better to have something so that we can even have two ins

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-01 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:11:26 +0100 "Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/28/07, Graeme Geldenhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As I mentioned in another post. Maybe take a look at MSEide for > > ideas of such a dialog. > > The mseide approach is too simple. Further it

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-01 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 10/28/07, Graeme Geldenhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I mentioned in another post. Maybe take a look at MSEide for ideas > of such a dialog. The mseide approach is too simple. Further it doesn't allow any number of build modes, but is fixed at 4. The mseide dialog works like this: There

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-29 Thread Bogusław Brandys
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 28/10/2007, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We can provide 2 defaults for new projects: Debug and Release, but even those should be editable so projects don't need "dead" modes which are just there by IDE idiosincrasy I gave some thougth to it

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-10-28 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
As I mentioned in another post. Maybe take a look at MSEide for ideas of such a dialog. Graeme. On 28/10/2007, Marco van de Voort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 06:21:04AM +0100, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > > If the compiler options dialog is to be redesigned I thi

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-10-28 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 06:21:04AM +0100, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > If the compiler options dialog is to be redesigned I think it would be > an oportunity to get customized build modes, like: Release, Debug, > AnythingElse Yes, and additional should be definable by the user. __

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-28 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 28/10/2007, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We can provide 2 defaults for new projects: Debug and Release, but > even those should be editable so projects don't need "dead" modes > which are just there by IDE idiosincrasy > > I gave some thougth to it, but I am not real

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-27 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 10/28/07, Ciprian Mustiata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, the all issues I've previously said are focusing on next things: > - reduce the number of items (the rarely used items should be cleanup or > removed or merged) > - make all consistent (means when you go to one dialog and learn it, th

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-10-27 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
If the compiler options dialog is to be redesigned I think it would be an oportunity to get customized build modes, like: Release, Debug, AnythingElse -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

RE: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-10-27 Thread Ciprian Mustiata
ent: S 27.10.2007 17:05 To: lazarus@miraclec.com Subject: Re: [lazarus] Usability issues On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - compiler options aren't a part of project options? Why? Probably > the options should be organized

RE: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-27 Thread Ciprian Mustiata
essage- From: Mattias Gaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: D 28.10.2007 02:30 To: lazarus@miraclec.com Subject: Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - search On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:59:07 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 &

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:59:07 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 > "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - file->search or replace (excluding incremental search) are to > > heavy Unify them in the same dialog and if the replace/se

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Warning about missing FPC sources

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:42:07 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[...]a directly way to solve: add a button > that say: Solve... or something like that, and when you click it, it > gets a directory chooser to say where is FPCSRC folder. Good idea. Any volunteer? Mattias ___

RE: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-27 Thread Ciprian Mustiata
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - file->search or replace (excluding incremental search) are to heavy > Unify them in the same dialog and if the replace/search (like is > in: Find in Files dialog) work differently on different criteria: by > pro

RE: [lazarus] Usability issues - Warning about missing FPC sources

2007-10-27 Thread Ciprian Mustiata
-Original Message- From: Mattias Gaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: S 27.10.2007 16:13 To: lazarus@miraclec.com Subject: Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Warning about missing FPC sources On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Project menu items

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:17:17 +0200 Bogusław Brandys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mattias Gaertner wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 > > "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> - Project menu: > >> - no items until the: publish project should exist, they are > >> redu

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Project menu items

2007-10-27 Thread Bogusław Brandys
Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Project menu: - no items until the: publish project should exist, they are redundant with File Menu where most users will make that operations new project: is unneeded nowadays, altho

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Docking

2007-10-27 Thread James Chandler Jr
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Docking On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - floating windows: they are really too many, In a debug session one person can work with as much as 10 windows

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - compiler options aren't a part of project options? Why? Probably > the options should be organized then in another format like some > tools use today: a logical tree with options and on the right the > options t

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Project menu items

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Project menu: > - no items until the: publish project should exist, they are > redundant with File Menu where most users will make that operations new project: is unneeded nowadays, although I still use it. n

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - file->search or replace (excluding incremental search) are to heavy > Unify them in the same dialog and if the replace/search (like is > in: Find in Files dialog) work differently on different criteria: by > pro

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - file new dlg

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - file->New... dialog is somehow useless: for adding one new file the > user has to open one dialog. Most users will always use three or so > options. So New... probably should be an expanded menu that have as > ite

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Docking

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - floating windows: they are really too many, In a debug session one > person can work with as much as 10 windows opened at one time. That > problem can be addressed compacting one or more windows in the same > dial

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Warning about missing FPC sources

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Lazarus team, > > I've start Lazarus and I've face multiple usability issues: It's better to put only one topic per mail. > - when it start it say that I have no FPC Sources (I've setup them) > but sometimes

[lazarus] Usability issues

2007-10-26 Thread Ciprian Mustiata
Hi Lazarus team, I've start Lazarus and I've face multiple usability issues: - when it start it say that I have no FPC Sources (I've setup them) but sometimes it happened to have around the sources. So the user should have the possibility to ignore the message dialog. For that I've suggest tw