Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-07 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Nov 2, 2007 9:05 PM, Micha Nelissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is this really necessary? Isn't stripping symbols from the end > > executable enougth? > > It's necessary, because -O2 code is usually more compact and faster; but > hard to debug. Has anyone ever made a comparation of -O1 and -

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-02 Thread Micha Nelissen
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > On 11/1/07, Micha Nelissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If then, the application is compiled in Release mode, automatically, the >> "release" version of e.g. the LCL/RTL/FCL would be used, which were >> compiled with -O2 for instance, while the debug version wa

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-02 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 11/1/07, Micha Nelissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If then, the application is compiled in Release mode, automatically, the > "release" version of e.g. the LCL/RTL/FCL would be used, which were > compiled with -O2 for instance, while the debug version was compiled > with '-O- -g' or similar.

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-01 Thread Micha Nelissen
Mattias Gaertner wrote: > On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:19:05 +0100 > Micha Nelissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If then, the application is compiled in Release mode, automatically, >> the "release" version of e.g. the LCL/RTL/FCL would be used, which >> were compiled with -O2 for instance, while the

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-01 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:19:05 +0100 Micha Nelissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > > If the compiler options dialog is to be redesigned I think it would > > be an oportunity to get customized build modes, like: Release, > > Debug, AnythingElse > > This is indeed a

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-01 Thread Micha Nelissen
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > If the compiler options dialog is to be redesigned I think it would be > an oportunity to get customized build modes, like: Release, Debug, > AnythingElse This is indeed a good idea, but it would be even better to have something so that we can even have two ins

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-01 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:11:26 +0100 "Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/28/07, Graeme Geldenhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As I mentioned in another post. Maybe take a look at MSEide for > > ideas of such a dialog. > > The mseide approach is too simple. Further it

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-11-01 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 10/28/07, Graeme Geldenhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I mentioned in another post. Maybe take a look at MSEide for ideas > of such a dialog. The mseide approach is too simple. Further it doesn't allow any number of build modes, but is fixed at 4. The mseide dialog works like this: There

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-29 Thread Bogusław Brandys
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 28/10/2007, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We can provide 2 defaults for new projects: Debug and Release, but even those should be editable so projects don't need "dead" modes which are just there by IDE idiosincrasy I gave some thougth to it

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-10-28 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
As I mentioned in another post. Maybe take a look at MSEide for ideas of such a dialog. Graeme. On 28/10/2007, Marco van de Voort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 06:21:04AM +0100, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > > If the compiler options dialog is to be redesigned I thi

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-10-28 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 06:21:04AM +0100, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > If the compiler options dialog is to be redesigned I think it would be > an oportunity to get customized build modes, like: Release, Debug, > AnythingElse Yes, and additional should be definable by the user. __

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-28 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 28/10/2007, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We can provide 2 defaults for new projects: Debug and Release, but > even those should be editable so projects don't need "dead" modes > which are just there by IDE idiosincrasy > > I gave some thougth to it, but I am not real

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-27 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 10/28/07, Ciprian Mustiata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, the all issues I've previously said are focusing on next things: > - reduce the number of items (the rarely used items should be cleanup or > removed or merged) > - make all consistent (means when you go to one dialog and learn it, th

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-10-27 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
If the compiler options dialog is to be redesigned I think it would be an oportunity to get customized build modes, like: Release, Debug, AnythingElse -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

RE: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-10-27 Thread Ciprian Mustiata
ent: S 27.10.2007 17:05 To: lazarus@miraclec.com Subject: Re: [lazarus] Usability issues On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - compiler options aren't a part of project options? Why? Probably > the options should be organized

RE: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-27 Thread Ciprian Mustiata
essage- From: Mattias Gaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: D 28.10.2007 02:30 To: lazarus@miraclec.com Subject: Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - search On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:59:07 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 &

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:59:07 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 > "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - file->search or replace (excluding incremental search) are to > > heavy Unify them in the same dialog and if the replace/se

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Warning about missing FPC sources

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:42:07 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[...]a directly way to solve: add a button > that say: Solve... or something like that, and when you click it, it > gets a directory chooser to say where is FPCSRC folder. Good idea. Any volunteer? Mattias ___

RE: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-27 Thread Ciprian Mustiata
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - file->search or replace (excluding incremental search) are to heavy > Unify them in the same dialog and if the replace/search (like is > in: Find in Files dialog) work differently on different criteria: by > pro

RE: [lazarus] Usability issues - Warning about missing FPC sources

2007-10-27 Thread Ciprian Mustiata
-Original Message- From: Mattias Gaertner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: S 27.10.2007 16:13 To: lazarus@miraclec.com Subject: Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Warning about missing FPC sources On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Project menu items

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:17:17 +0200 Bogusław Brandys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mattias Gaertner wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 > > "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> - Project menu: > >> - no items until the: publish project should exist, they are > >> redu

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Project menu items

2007-10-27 Thread Bogusław Brandys
Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Project menu: - no items until the: publish project should exist, they are redundant with File Menu where most users will make that operations new project: is unneeded nowadays, altho

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Docking

2007-10-27 Thread James Chandler Jr
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Docking On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - floating windows: they are really too many, In a debug session one person can work with as much as 10 windows

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - compiler options aren't a part of project options? Why? Probably > the options should be organized then in another format like some > tools use today: a logical tree with options and on the right the > options t

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Project menu items

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Project menu: > - no items until the: publish project should exist, they are > redundant with File Menu where most users will make that operations new project: is unneeded nowadays, although I still use it. n

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - search

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - file->search or replace (excluding incremental search) are to heavy > Unify them in the same dialog and if the replace/search (like is > in: Find in Files dialog) work differently on different criteria: by > pro

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - file new dlg

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - file->New... dialog is somehow useless: for adding one new file the > user has to open one dialog. Most users will always use three or so > options. So New... probably should be an expanded menu that have as > ite

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Docking

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - floating windows: they are really too many, In a debug session one > person can work with as much as 10 windows opened at one time. That > problem can be addressed compacting one or more windows in the same > dial

Re: [lazarus] Usability issues - Warning about missing FPC sources

2007-10-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:42:35 +0300 "Ciprian Mustiata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Lazarus team, > > I've start Lazarus and I've face multiple usability issues: It's better to put only one topic per mail. > - when it start it say that I have no FPC Sources (I've setup them) > but sometimes