RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Steven H. McCown
Other thoughts: Whatever language is used for this or any general app needs to consider the end user. The general end user is not a power sys admin, but someone who installs out of the box, uses only the defaults, and never updates. If Perl or Ruby or what ever is used is installed on the user's

RE: [Ldsoss] New Scriptures Beta Test Site

2006-06-14 Thread Steven H. McCown
I read somewhere that Trebuchet and Veranda were considered the best fonts for online reading. Could that help the readability? Does anyone know what the current font is? Steve -Original Message- On Behalf Of Charles Fry > The current display format is highly unreadable. ___

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Dan Hanks
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Shane Hathaway wrote: Thomas Haws wrote: This is very intriguing. Can you point to an example we might install and try? I hope someone else knows of an example. Conceptually, it's simple, and I can see the solution from start to finish. But I'm surprised it hasn't been

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Shane Hathaway
Thomas Haws wrote: > This is very intriguing. Can you point to an example we might install > and try? I hope someone else knows of an example. Conceptually, it's simple, and I can see the solution from start to finish. But I'm surprised it hasn't been done very often. Maybe we need a proof of

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Thomas Haws
This is very intriguing. Can you point to an example we might install and try? If I understand right, you are saying I can run it on my desktop for my troop, or I can run it at a web server for my troop or for the entire council or church? -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 OpenOffice.org v. MS Office:

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Shane Hathaway
Gary Thornock wrote: > That means, though, that you require the user to have a web > server installed on his computer (either because your installer > put it there, or because he already had one). This brings me > back to a comment I made several days ago: sure, I *can* install > a LAMP applicatio

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Gary Thornock
--- Thomas Haws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shane, I'd like to follow up on this: > > On 6/14/06, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes. The installer will put the web app in the Program >> Files directory and a shortcut will be added to the menu and >> desktop. The shortcut will bot

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Shane Hathaway
Thomas Haws wrote: > Shane, I'd like to follow up on this: > > On 6/14/06, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes. The installer will put the web app in the Program Files directory >> and a shortcut will be added to the menu and desktop. The shortcut will >> both launch the web app and

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Thomas Haws
Shane, I'd like to follow up on this: On 6/14/06, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes. The installer will put the web app in the Program Files directory and a shortcut will be added to the menu and desktop. The shortcut will both launch the web app and launch the user's browser once

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Bryan Murdock
On 6/14/06, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now, as for choosing the web app server technology... yikes. Please be nice to each other. :-) FWIW, I'd vote for Django in this case. Django is written in Python, a highly agile and portable language, and it's inspired by Zope, Ruby on Rai

Re: [Ldsoss] New Scriptures Beta Test Site

2006-06-14 Thread Charles Fry
> In that case having a paragraph format would be nice. If you ever tried > using your 1920 pixel width to read the scriptures (in the normal font > size) you will be faced with little more than whitespace. Regarding this, I must admit that my all time favorite version of The Book of Mormon to rea

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Stacey
Thomas Haws wrote: Shane, 1. be careful to use cross-platform technologies. Shell scripts, assembly code, and ActiveX are bad ideas, because we need portable code for the next steps. Can you please clarify this? Is PHP a shell script? PHP is a scripting language, however, it seems to be po

Re: [Ldsoss] New Scriptures Beta Test Site

2006-06-14 Thread Shane Hathaway
Thomas Haws wrote: >> off the footnote letters > > I strongly agree. :-) I do too. >> I wouldn't want more than one column. I see no benefits to that. Nor >> would I want a column of some arbitrary width. > > I agree. One column and leave width to the browser or provide a > draggable frame

Re: [Ldsoss] New Scriptures Beta Test Site

2006-06-14 Thread Charles Fry
> I wouldn't want more than one column. I see no benefits to that. Nor > would I want a column of some arbitrary width. I'm quite capable of > selecting the width that is best for me. I have a nice 24" widescreen > monitor set at 1920x1200. I really don't need someone deciding I can > only use

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Shane Hathaway
Thomas Haws wrote: > 1. >> be careful to use cross-platform technologies. Shell scripts, assembly >> code, and ActiveX are bad ideas, because we need portable code for the >> next steps. > Can you please clarify this? Is PHP a shell script? No, PHP is not a shell script, but I'm not certain it's

Re: [Ldsoss] New Scriptures Beta Test Site

2006-06-14 Thread Thomas Haws
off the footnote letters I strongly agree. :-) I wouldn't want more than one column. I see no benefits to that. Nor would I want a column of some arbitrary width. I agree. One column and leave width to the browser or provide a draggable frame width that's initially somewhat narrow. -- T

Re: [Ldsoss] New Scriptures Beta Test Site

2006-06-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 01:55:30PM -0400, Charles Fry wrote: > The issues that bother me are: > > I constantly find myself cutting and pasting from the online scriptures > into documents I am editing. Doing this with footnotes enabled is a > trecherous endeaver, as the footnote letters get copied

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Thomas Haws
Shane, 1. be careful to use cross-platform technologies. Shell scripts, assembly code, and ActiveX are bad ideas, because we need portable code for the next steps. Can you please clarify this? Is PHP a shell script? 2. Server technology I am ashamed to say I have never heard of Django. Isn

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Shane Hathaway
Dan Hanks wrote: > Having said that, my personal belief is that computers and particularly > web technologies have been developed and are advancing to further the > work of > the Lord, to provide greater convenience and efficiency in doing His > work. They provide accelerated means of handling the

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Stacey
Charles Fry wrote: If the Church is not ready to officially launch this project, I suggest that one be created on Savannah or SourceForge, and that those interested start moving forward with it. I would suggest this be done in any case... There may be non-LDS OSS developers that may want

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Stacey
Bryan Murdock wrote: I'd like to add that even in Boy Scouting, it's not *just* the Scoutmaster that can and will update what kids have done. The discussion so far almost seems to be based on the supposition that the Scoutmaster runs the troop as some lone wolf, but that is entirely untrue. He

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Stacey
Dan Hanks wrote: Dan Hanks made the following basic points (summarized): 1) parents can update what their kids have done This is not applicable to Boy Scouts, btw. Only Scoutmasters do this -- with 1 or 2 merit badge exceptions. Good point. However, it _is_ applicable for Duty to God and

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Charles Fry
> Given that, I propose two things: > > 1) the OSS community builds a free open source scout tracking application > that runs on a stand-alone computer, that incorporates a good import/export > function, that integrates with Excel or other office products, etc. Windows > is the most common platfo

RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Richard Pyne
On 14 Jun 2006 at 8:04, Steven H. McCown wrote: > Justin Findlay asked "Why should any of this be bigger than troop > level?" Because some areas run their scouting program on a wider scale. Our stake averages only about three youth per age group per ward. While each ward registers its own units

Re: [Ldsoss] New Scriptures Beta Test Site

2006-06-14 Thread Charles Fry
The issues that bother me are: I constantly find myself cutting and pasting from the online scriptures into documents I am editing. Doing this with footnotes enabled is a trecherous endeaver, as the footnote letters get copied into the text which is pasted. I just noticed the "Hide footnote indica

Re: [Ldsoss] New Scriptures Beta Test Site

2006-06-14 Thread Tom Welch
Excellent news!  Thanks!   Tom>>> "Charles Boling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/14/2006 10:05 AM >>>No beefs to report; just want to say that I like the options under "print" to be able to hide the superscripts, etc. Makes it a bit easier to include quotes in other documents!

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Bryan Murdock
On 6/13/06, Gary Thornock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The other make-or-break feature I haven't heard about yet in this discussion is the ScoutNet standard for reporting advancement and such like things to the council office. This is a very good point. Is there an online Tour Permit submission

Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Bryan Murdock
On 6/14/06, Dan Hanks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Steven H. McCown wrote: > I like this discussion -- civil and yet in disagreement...cool. Indeed :-) > > Dan Hanks made the following basic points (summarized): > >> 1) parents can update what their kids have done > > This i

RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Dan Hanks
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Steven H. McCown wrote: I like this discussion -- civil and yet in disagreement...cool. Indeed :-) Dan Hanks made the following basic points (summarized): 1) parents can update what their kids have done This is not applicable to Boy Scouts, btw. Only Scoutmasters d

Re: [Ldsoss] New Scriptures Beta Test Site

2006-06-14 Thread Charles Boling
No beefs to report; just want to say that I like the options under "print" to be able to hide the superscripts, etc. Makes it a bit easier to include quotes in other documents! ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/m

RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking

2006-06-14 Thread Steven H. McCown
I like this discussion -- civil and yet in disagreement...cool. Dan Hanks made the following basic points (summarized): > 1) parents can update what their kids have done This is not applicable to Boy Scouts, btw. Only Scoutmasters do this -- with 1 or 2 merit badge exceptions. > 2) leaders