] On Behalf Of Shawn Willden
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:47 AM
To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org
Cc: Jesse Stay
Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge
On Wednesday 25 October 2006 09:52, Jesse Stay wrote:
> In relation to OSS, perhaps this new S
On AD 2006 October 25 Wednesday 10:32:08 AM -0600, Steven H. McCown wrote:
> It's always interesting to see people being clear about justifying their
> position. To summarize your post, you have stated that you don't care what
> the law is, because you will do as you choose -- illegal or not.
A
On Oct 25, 2006, at 10:46 AM, Shawn Willden wrote:
On Wednesday 25 October 2006 09:52, Jesse Stay wrote:
In relation to OSS, perhaps this new Scouting merit badge could serve
as an opportunity to educate Scouts about OSS and licensing/IP
surrounding the various OSS licenses.
Were this an actu
On Wednesday 25 October 2006 09:52, Jesse Stay wrote:
> In relation to OSS, perhaps this new Scouting merit badge could serve
> as an opportunity to educate Scouts about OSS and licensing/IP
> surrounding the various OSS licenses.
Were this an actual merit badge, I'd sign up as a counselor specifi
f Of Shawn Willden
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge
With apologies to Manfred, I have to clarify a couple of things here :-)
Note that IANAL, but I have read the
Source Software
Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge
On 10/25/06, Jay Askren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe we need to have someone create another mailing list covering
> intellectual property, copyright law, and what is legal and wha
On 10/25/06, Jay Askren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Maybe we need to have someone create another mailing list covering
intellectual property, copyright law, and what is legal and what is not.
This topic seems to come up a lot, and I it seems that people really like to
argue about it. It would be
On Oct 25, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Jay Askren wrote:
Maybe we need to have someone create another mailing list covering
intellectual property, copyright law, and what is legal and what is
not. This topic seems to come up a lot, and I it seems that people
really like to argue about it. It would
On Oct 25, 2006, at 7:01 AM, Steven H. McCown wrote:
The new Boy Scout patch may serve Hollywood, but it also serves to
educate
in an effort to teach Scouts about the current law. The patch will
help
teach scouts how not to make their parents liable for large sums of
money.
The purpose of t
Maybe we need to have someone create another mailing list covering intellectual property, copyright law, and what is legal and what is not. This topic seems to come up a lot, and I it seems that people really like to argue about it. It would be nice if these arguments would move to another list s
With apologies to Manfred, I have to clarify a couple of things here :-)
Note that IANAL, but I have read the law and I have been following these
issues closely for years.
On Wednesday 25 October 2006 07:01, Steven H. McCown wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:49 AM Jesse Stay wrote:
> Fair
: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:01 AM
To: 'LDS Open Source Software'
Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge
On Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:49 AM Jesse Stay wrote:
>IANAL but it *shouldn't* be okay to download movies and music t
On Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:49 AM Jesse Stay wrote:
>IANAL but it *shouldn't* be okay to download movies and music that weren't
intended to be downloaded for free, but it *is* legal. Fair use doctrine...
Actually, fair use doctrine is *not* applied to downloads. Fair use only
says that onc
On AD 2006 October 24 Tuesday 01:37:59 PM -0700, Manfred Riem wrote:
> Bringing this badge up was not the thing that was off-topic to me.
> The discussion about what copyright should be was.
Others have already given reasons why many of us would be interested in
this since the Church is a major su
discussing open source. If there is such a
thing as "Scouting Leadership Mailinglist" then I would say that
is more suitable.
Kind regards,
Manfred Riem
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> Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a &qu
On 10/24/06, Shawn Willden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 07:20, Manfred Riem wrote:
> While it is interesting to debate this I don't think this forum was meant
> for this. If we are talking about furthering Open Source among LDS
> developers I think we need to respect the
I agree with John. There are a number of ways this topic intersects
with the group's interests:
1. The Church is the strongest supporter of scouting out there. The
scouting program is intimately connected with the mission of the Church.
2. Intellectual property rights and fair use are topic
Manfred,
I'd argue that this is on topic in that LDS Developers that are
interested in Open Source should sign up to teach the class for this
patch and take the opportunity to educate (rather than brainwash)
scouts about various aspects of copyright including Open Source. I
would guess that the
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 07:20, Manfred Riem wrote:
> While it is interesting to debate this I don't think this forum was meant
> for this. If we are talking about furthering Open Source among LDS
> developers I think we need to respect the charter of this mailinglist. So
> please take this offl
On Oct 24, 2006, at 7:09 AM, Shawn Willden wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 05:38, Steven McCown wrote:
Even if you think that it *should* be okay to illegally download
music and
videos, at the moment it is not.
At this moment it's also illegal to watch legally-purchased DVDs on
Linux.
and litigate". That's a noteworthy twist given how
much
> piracy
> > costs Hollywood.
> >
> > If the next generation of net user grows up having learned that
it is
> wrong
> > to copy [not just photocopy], then we may just end up with less
litigation
gards,
Manfred Riem
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http://www.manorrock.org/
Founding Java Champion
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To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org
Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 05:38, Steven McCown wrote:
> Even if you think that it *should* be okay to illegally download music and
> videos, at the moment it is not.
At this moment it's also illegal to watch legally-purchased DVDs on Linux. Or
to rip them and store them on a MythTV video jukebo
photocopy], then we may just end up with less litigation> > and that would be a good thing. Wouldn't it?
> >> > Steve> >> >> > -Original Message-> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:
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st end up with less litigation
and that would be a good thing. Wouldn't it?Steve-Original Message-From:
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On AD 2006 October 23 Monday 01:34:29 AM -0600, Steven H. McCown wrote:
> I guess they feel that they are losing money to the "internet culture" and
> that they need to re-educate people that it is wrong to steal. While 30
> years ago, truly honest people would never have dared photocopy a book (e
would be a good thing. Wouldn't it?
>
> Steve
>
>
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> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:51 PM
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we may just end up with less litigation
and that would be a good thing. Wouldn't it?Steve-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:
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rned that it is wrong
to copy [not just photocopy], then we may just end up with less litigation
and that would be a good thing. Wouldn't it?
Steve
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"The movie industry has developed the curriculum."
Oh good, an impartial and fair party, experts in law and the constitution. :-P
Bryan
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I would hope that members of this this would sign up to be instructors
for this activity patch in their wards and teach scouts about fair
use, first sale doctrine, how DRM circumvents your rights, and about
alternatives to traditional copyright such as Creative Commons
materials and Open Source So
BSA is, rightfully, teaching
Scouts to respect the copyrights of others.
Here's an article:
(http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Scouts_Piracy_Patch.html)
Since you have to visit an
actual movie studio, you kind of need to live in LA, though...
One more thing to add to
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