Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-05-17 Thread n22e113
> And there is only short list of advantages. > The main disadvantage for me was very rare kernel with ugly support for > new hardware - so, when I take new LAN card (i82576) and discover that > drivers for 2.4 are quite buggy, I decided to try to migrate on 2.6 > kernel, and it was easier that

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-05-17 Thread Andrew
> You could also have switched to alpine linux, which satisfies 1-4 > above and also provides you with a recent 2.6 grsecured kernel by > default. > I already have experience with porting & building packages for LEAF; also I have some maintenance/administrative/task-specific scripts, that mu

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-05-17 Thread Natanael Copa
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Andrew wrote: > >> I'm not sure I understand why someone wants a 2.6 kernel to run a >> standalone LEAF/Bering firewall.  Can't find an old box and needs >> the hardware support for a box that's entirely too powerful?  ;-) >> > I use LEAF for more powerful tasks t

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-05-15 Thread Paul Rogers
I agree with Andrew's reasons for using LEAF. It has been my perimeter firewall for many years. However, by far, my preferred network architecture involves a perimeter firewall as a "standalone" box that does only that "first line of defense" job. I put some value on being able to Power-Cycle my

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-05-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 16:28 +0200, Erich Titl wrote: > Mike Noyes wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 09:13 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote: > >>> The 2.6 kernel is that large, that a runnable _and_ useful floppy > >>> version in the way we provided it with the kernel 2.4- based versions > >> I'm not sure I

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-05-15 Thread Erich Titl
Mike Noyes wrote: > On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 09:13 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote: >>> The 2.6 kernel is that large, that a runnable _and_ useful floppy >>> version in the way we provided it with the kernel 2.4- based versions >> I'm not sure I understand why someone wants a 2.6 kernel to run a >> standalon

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-05-15 Thread Andrew
> I'm not sure I understand why someone wants a 2.6 kernel to run a > standalone LEAF/Bering firewall. Can't find an old box and needs > the hardware support for a box that's entirely too powerful? ;-) > I use LEAF for more powerful tasks that home router/storage, and we have more than 400M

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-05-13 Thread Mike Noyes
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 09:13 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote: > > The 2.6 kernel is that large, that a runnable _and_ useful floppy > > version in the way we provided it with the kernel 2.4- based versions > > I'm not sure I understand why someone wants a 2.6 kernel to run a > standalone LEAF/Bering firew

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-05-13 Thread Paul Rogers
> The 2.6 kernel is that large, that a runnable _and_ useful floppy > version in the way we provided it with the kernel 2.4- based versions I'm not sure I understand why someone wants a 2.6 kernel to run a standalone LEAF/Bering firewall. Can't find an old box and needs the hardware support for a

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-28 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 18:17 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote: -snip- > > Maybe we create a basic bootable floppy version, where packages can be > > added... > > But you've already got that in the existing/previous versions. Just > leave them available is all I'm suggesting. Paul, The old versions will b

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-28 Thread Mike
On 04/28/10 17:57, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 15:01 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote: > >>> That said I hope that both efforts will end up in a joint project, >>> which may (or should?) get a new name. Not only that it is based on a >>> 2.6 kernel and it marks the end of floppy-runnable

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-28 Thread Paul Rogers
> > I'm still running Bering-1.2. > > Wow, that's a pretty old version. I suggest you better update due to > security reasons. I may give it some consideration after I get a chance to see 3.01 in action. I'm running a fairly restrictive internal firewall also. > The 2.6 kernel is that large, tha

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-28 Thread Mike Noyes
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 15:01 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote: > > That said I hope that both efforts will end up in a joint project, > > which may (or should?) get a new name. Not only that it is based on a > > 2.6 kernel and it marks the end of floppy-runnable versions, it shall > > I'm still running Ber

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-28 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Am Mittwoch, 28. April 2010 00:01:14 schrieb Paul Rogers: > > That said I hope that both efforts will end up in a joint project, > > which may (or should?) get a new name. Not only that it is based on a > > 2.6 kernel and it marks the end of floppy-runnable versions, it shall > > I'm still running

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-27 Thread Mike Noyes
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 23:50 +0200, Martin Hejl wrote: > Hi Mike, > > KP, > > See: > > http://leaf.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/leaf/src/bering-uclibc4/ > > Something doesn't seem to be quite right either with the cvs-commits > list, or with Andrew's permissions to post to that list - at least, > th

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-27 Thread Paul Rogers
> That said I hope that both efforts will end up in a joint project, > which may (or should?) get a new name. Not only that it is based on a > 2.6 kernel and it marks the end of floppy-runnable versions, it shall I'm still running Bering-1.2. I would only wish that the floppy versions should be g

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-27 Thread Martin Hejl
Hi Mike, > KP, > See: > > http://leaf.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/leaf/src/bering-uclibc4/ Something doesn't seem to be quite right either with the cvs-commits list, or with Andrew's permissions to post to that list - at least, that's how I read the total lack of messages on that list for the com

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-27 Thread Mike Noyes
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 23:06 +0200, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote: -snip- > I think, once Andrew commits his work into src, we can try to build a new > beta > version and to go on from there with a new name, with a new repository - and > if necessary with a new version control system. But lets have the c

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-27 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Am Dienstag, 27. April 2010 23:26:20 schrieb Martin Hejl: > Hi everybody, > > > the UnNamedOne was a "design study" two years ago by Martin Hejl, which > > is different from Andrews work. > > the first part is not quite true - it was a joint effort by Dirk Gförer, > Eric Spakman and myself (and tru

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-27 Thread Martin Hejl
Hi everybody, > the UnNamedOne was a "design study" two years ago by Martin Hejl, which is > different from Andrews work. the first part is not quite true - it was a joint effort by Dirk Gförer, Eric Spakman and myself (and truth to be told, my part in it probably was the smallest one). I just w

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-27 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Am Dienstag, 27. April 2010 02:42:35 schrieb Paul Rogers: > > How about one of these straits: > > Darwin Straits in Tierra del Fuego? > > I've always thought the Skagerrak & Kattegat were neat names. > Maybe a bit wide, depending on how narrow one thinks a "strait" > should be. Paul; the UnNamedO

Re: [leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-26 Thread Paul Rogers
> How about one of these straits: > Darwin Straits in Tierra del Fuego? I've always thought the Skagerrak & Kattegat were neat names. Maybe a bit wide, depending on how narrow one thinks a "strait" should be. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm http://www.xprt.net/~pgrogers/ Rogers' Second L