Re: [LEAPSECS] LEAPSECS Digest, Vol 50, Issue 30

2011-01-30 Thread Tom Van Baak
Steve, See also Time Scales by Louis Essen for a whole set of interesting historical nuggets on the origin of UTC: http://www.leapsecond.com/history/1968-Metrologia-v4-n4-Essen.pdf I would like to suggest that the rest of you read this as well. In case you didn't already know, it was Essen

Re: [LEAPSECS] Java JSR-310 TAIInstant class

2011-01-30 Thread Stephen Colebourne
On 30 January 2011 01:54, Steve Allen s...@ucolick.org wrote: On 2011 Jan 29, at 17:34, Steve Allen wrote: So I caution that JSR-310 is really creating a new time scale which cannot be extrapolated into the past and which will only cause confusion by claiming the name TAI when it cannot be

Re: [LEAPSECS] Java: ThreeTen/JSR-310

2011-01-30 Thread Paul J. Ste. Marie
On 1/29/2011 8:55 AM, Daniel R. Tobias allegedly wrote: ... Is there actually anybody on any side of the great time scale debates who advocates sending government agents to people's homes to ensure that all their clocks are set to the correct standard, possibly arresting my mom because she

Re: [LEAPSECS] Java: ThreeTen/JSR-310

2011-01-30 Thread Warner Losh
On 01/29/2011 10:20, Michael Sokolov wrote: You and/or PHK (I don't remember exactly which, I think PHK, but your positions are obviously similar) have said repeatedly on this list that using any time scale other than those tied to UTC through various legal time statutes is illegal in a criminal

Re: [LEAPSECS] Java: ThreeTen/JSR-310

2011-01-30 Thread Warner Losh
On 01/29/2011 09:56, Daniel R. Tobias wrote: On 28 Jan 2011 at 23:59, Warner Losh wrote: Just for the record. I have no minions, armed or otherwise. Do you have a minyan (defined as ten Jewish males, needed to begin prayer in Orthodox Jewish tradition)? I don't have that either... Warner

Re: [LEAPSECS] Java: ThreeTen/JSR-310

2011-01-30 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On 30 Jan 2011 at 11:57, Warner Losh wrote: On 01/29/2011 09:56, Daniel R. Tobias wrote: On 28 Jan 2011 at 23:59, Warner Losh wrote: Just for the record. I have no minions, armed or otherwise. Do you have a minyan (defined as ten Jewish males, needed to begin prayer in Orthodox Jewish

Re: [LEAPSECS] Java JSR-310 TAIInstant class

2011-01-30 Thread Michael Deckers
On 2011-01-29 22:21, Stephen Colebourne wrote: What JSR-310 needs is a single time-scale that has a single incrementing number of fixed size units (SI seconds) with no other interpretations (such as what a day is). I believe that TAI best meets that definition today, and thus is the

Re: [LEAPSECS] tinkering with time ?

2011-01-30 Thread Rob Seaman
On Jan 30, 2011, at 3:44 AM, Stephen Colebourne wrote: In other words, I flat out don't believe that the tinkering with time would stop simply because leap-seconds were stopped. This is an insightful observation. What does the ITU believe will happen should they succeed? (Perhaps I should