Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Warner Losh
I strongly urge that they get a lawyer to do write / bless something like CC0 rather than going to the internet to get a suggestion. This is scientific data, and the CC0 was done for that. However, I can't say this enough: they need a lawyer that's an expert on whatever kind of quazi-governmental a

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Christopher Hoover
I'm not speaking for Google (and have no specific knowledge) ... I think the forcing factor was cloud computing not ad networks. On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <58407de7.1030...@edlmax.com>, Brooks Harris writes: > > > As I read it I think Goog

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Michael Wouters
According to this email, http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2016-February/023209.html the IERS will be adding a copyright notice allowing free use of the leap second list. Guess we just have to wait for the next one. Cheers Michael On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Warner Losh writes: >It's also all boilerplate. There's no creative content, so it's quite >likely it wouldn't even qualify for copyright protection. You can't >copyright facts, and that's all that differs from report to report. That is actually an interesting detail. The

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Warner Losh
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message , > =?utf-8?Q?Ask_Bj=C3=B8rn_Hansen?= writes: > >>> It does not have any copyright claims on it I can identify. Not >>> do the other related files, like >>> https://hpiers.obspm.fr/eoppc/bul/bulc/Leap_Second_History.

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , =?utf-8?Q?Ask_Bj=C3=B8rn_Hansen?= writes: >> It does not have any copyright claims on it I can identify. Not >> do the other related files, like >> https://hpiers.obspm.fr/eoppc/bul/bulc/Leap_Second_History.dat. >> >> Seems to me any copyright claim would defeat the IERS pu

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen
> On Dec 2, 2016, at 08:14, Brooks Harris wrote: > > It does not have any copyright claims on it I can identify. Not do the other > related files, like > https://hpiers.obspm.fr/eoppc/bul/bulc/Leap_Second_History.dat. > > Seems to me any copyright claim would defeat the IERS purposes. Seems t

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Steve Summit
Brooks Harris wrote: > On 2016-12-02 12:57 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > They aren't regular... There's no formula to look up, no regular rule. > > There's no math that will save you... they are irregular and there's > > no standard way to get the leap second info reliably > > Oh yes. This seems like

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Brooks Harris
Thanks Tony, On 2016-12-02 10:03 AM, Tony Finch wrote: Brooks Harris wrote: Can you explain that copyright issue further? I was under the impression Bulletin C and related from IERS were public. There was a discussion of this issue on the tz list in February: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Tony Finch
Brooks Harris wrote: > Can you explain that copyright issue further? I was under the impression > Bulletin C and related from IERS were public. There was a discussion of this issue on the tz list in February: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2016-February/023171.html Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finch

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Brooks Harris
Hi Tony, On 2016-12-02 08:43 AM, Tony Finch wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I don't know what the effective latency is from IERS -> TZdata -> distros -> releases -> users -> computers, but 6 months is only going to be enough if everybody pays maximum attention *EVERY* *BLOODY* *TIME*. The cas

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Brooks Harris
On 2016-12-02 12:57 AM, Warner Losh wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Brooks Harris wrote: Hi Warner, On 2016-12-01 08:02 PM, Warner Losh wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Stephen Colebourne wrote: On 1 December 2016 at 19:45, Brooks Harris wrote: As I read it I think Google's i

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Tony Finch
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > I don't know what the effective latency is from IERS -> TZdata -> distros -> > releases -> users -> computers, but 6 months is only going to be enough > if everybody pays maximum attention *EVERY* *BLOODY* *TIME*. The cascade actually goes IERS -> NIST -> tz because t

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20161202095852.d2017406...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net>, Hal Murray writes: > >> That's another problem with leap seconds: they are irregular and there's no >> standard way to get the leap second info reliably (though there are sources >> of data on the internet that are c

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Hal Murray
> That's another problem with leap seconds: they are irregular and there's no > standard way to get the leap second info reliably (though there are sources > of data on the internet that are changing that if you are connected. There is a plan to distribute a leap second file as part of the time

Re: [LEAPSECS] private smear goes public

2016-12-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <58407de7.1030...@edlmax.com>, Brooks Harris writes: > As I read it I think Google's intention is to publish their method and > algorithm in the hopes others may follow it. It would be better if > everybody did it the same way, but it will remain to be seen if others > will