Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-10 Thread Michael Deckers
On 2011-02-09, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In Denmark the law used to say that you have to suffix the timestamp with 'A' and 'B' during these two hours. Interesting. That notation still seems to be legal, see [http://www.retsinformation.dk/Forms/R0710.aspx?id=22064]. In Germany,

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4d544a0e.4020...@yahoo.com, Michael Deckers writes: In Denmark the law used to say that you have to suffix the timestamp with 'A' and 'B' during these two hours. Interesting. That notation still seems to be legal, see

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-10 Thread Michael Deckers
On 2011-02-10 20:42, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote about the Danish summer time law: Yes, one interesting detail here is the use of the word klokketiden which literally means (Church-)Bell-Time, but which most people would understand as clock-time This word first appears in 1946 in the first

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-09 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Mark Calabretta said: Not if the timestamps are properly labelled with the timezone, preferably specified as an offset, which distinguishes between DST and non-DST. falls about laughing I was involved in a murder case where the police investigated the wrong person because they hadn't realized

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-09 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Ian Batten said: Microsoft Exchange meeting invitations say things like GMT: London, Edinburgh, Lisbon, and then contain local timestamps corrected for daylight savings. [...] Yes, I'd forgotten that one. Given that half of my team are now based in Bangalore and the other half in Cambridge,

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-09 Thread Tony Finch
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Ian Batten wrote: It also opens the interesting question of what timestamps mean in a non-monotonic timescale: during the autumn change, a hour is repeated. So as far as a clock ticking civil time is concerned, you have 0100 through 0200 twice, once a year. Events stamped

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-09 Thread Tony Finch
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Ian Batten wrote: Extra fun will ensue if England moves to full-time daylight saving or to WET, both of which have a non-zero chance of happening, while Scotland remain on their existing arrangements, which also has a non-zero chance. You mean CET. (We are currently on

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-09 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Tony Finch said: As far as I can tell from a brief look at the document, the accurate timestamp requirement applies to trading data, and they don't trade when there is a DST change or when leap seconds occur. Does it say that, or are you guessing? DST changes tend to be outside trading hours,

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-09 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
As far as I can tell from a brief look at the document, the accurate timestamp requirement applies to trading data, and they don't trade when there is a DST change or when leap seconds occur. Does it say that, or are you guessing? DST changes tend to be outside trading hours, but leap

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-09 Thread Ian Batten
Clive D.W. Feather wrote: Tony Finch said: As far as I can tell from a brief look at the document, the accurate timestamp requirement applies to trading data, and they don't trade when there is a DST change or when leap seconds occur. Does it say that, or are you guessing? DST

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-09 Thread Warner Losh
On 02/08/2011 23:54, Mark Calabretta wrote: On Wed 2011/02/09 06:25:25 -, Ian Batten wrote in a message to: Tom Van Baakt...@leapsecond.com, Leap Second Discussion Listleapsecs@leapsecond.com Although that mandates access to a continuously reliable source of DST changeover dates and

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-09 Thread Mark Calabretta
On Wed 2011/02/09 08:40:42 -, Clive D.W. Feather wrote in a message to: Leap Second Discussion List leapsecs@leapsecond.com Not if the timestamps are properly labelled with the timezone, preferably specified as an offset, which distinguishes between DST and non-DST. falls about laughing

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-09 Thread Mark Calabretta
On Wed 2011/02/09 08:48:28 -, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote in a message to: Leap Second Discussion List leapsecs@leapsecond.com during the autumn change, a hour is repeated. So as far as a clock ticking civil time is concerned, you have 0100 through 0200 twice, once a year. Events stamped

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-09 Thread Mark Calabretta
On Wed 2011/02/09 08:56:21 -, Ian Batten wrote in a message to: Leap Second Discussion List leapsecs@leapsecond.com Microsoft Exchange meeting invitations say things like GMT: London, Edinburgh, Lisbon, and then contain local timestamps corrected for daylight savings. They do that all year

[LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-08 Thread Steve Allen
The US financial industry regulations are changing to require one second accuracy in the timestamps instead of 3 seconds. http://www1.finra.org/web/groups/industry/@ip/@comp/@regis/documents/appsupportdocs/p122784.pdf Chapter 2 is all about clock synchronization. Note that they require Eastern

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-08 Thread Mark Calabretta
On Wed 2011/02/09 06:25:25 -, Ian Batten wrote in a message to: Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com, Leap Second Discussion List leapsecs@leapsecond.com Although that mandates access to a continuously reliable source of DST changeover dates and offsets. It also opens the interesting