, incrementing over a period
of years. I don't see this as much worse than the status quo.
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with the result, because
that is the way the process is supposed to produce civil truth.
Various support forums indicate that the time given by phones running
Google's Android systems is GPS time. I do not see indications that
people believe Google thus has authority to define legal time.
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/legal/practical
purposes. There is no evident international authority to which
computer implementations can conform without risk of flame war.
Anybody can defensibly claim justification for doing anything they want.
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On Wed 2010-12-22T22:35:44 +, Ian Batten hath writ:
On 22 Dec 2010, at 20:36, Steve Allen wrote:
On Wed 2010-12-22T18:46:56 +, Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ:
Broadcast time *IS* civil time, it is broadcast as a service to
civilians.
Take Germanys DCF77 as example:
DCF77
.
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On 2010 Dec 28, at 08:21, Steve Allen wrote:
By the nature of its charter the ITU-R is incapable of serving
a role of giving guidance. That seems to me what Dave Finkleman
has been starting to do.
In this case guidance, and time for engineers and systems to adapt
to handle a change, is more
-ray timing satellites and
reduction of their orbits and onboard clocks -- that software
originated in the 1960s and still thinks that UTC = UT1.
Guidance, it's more than just a good idea.
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their organizations to sign off on it
enough so that they could continue. I am not convinced
that the number of strong proponents and opponents is unbalanced.
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to be public.
I keep wondering if the content and discussions will eventually
squirt out of wikileaks, but a quick traffic analysis of the range
of time and endpoints didn't give much likelihood of that.
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, which is why the forward
progress seems to have been largely signatures from bureaucrats
rather than broad consensus from stakeholders.
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?
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Radiocommunications Assembly for their consideration during the
vote on the proposed draft of TF.460
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, for in the absence of a
contemporary authority to define what they were, any one
interpretation is likely to differ from another.
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University
On Fri 2011-01-28T10:34:14 -0800, Steve Allen hath writ:
On Fri 2011-01-28T18:03:07 +, Stephen Colebourne hath writ:
JSR-310 addresses the definition of 1970-01-01Z (by defining the
TAI-UTC gap as fixed at 10 seconds prior to 1972.
All proleptic time scales are dangerous
redefining their product?
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sense
to include in a generic API, for the table lookups necessary to
implement it are painstaking.
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-310 is really creating a new time scale which
cannot be extrapolated into the past and which will only cause
confusion by claiming the name TAI when it cannot be TAI.
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On 2011 Jan 29, at 17:34, Steve Allen wrote:
So I caution that JSR-310 is really creating a new time scale which
cannot be extrapolated into the past and which will only cause
confusion by claiming the name TAI when it cannot be TAI.
and if the BIPM follows through with the suggestion
.
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/resources/user-resources/downloads/whitepapers/DebateOverUTCandLeapSeconds.pdf
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that their application can so easily tolerate a lie about the
longitude of their telescopes.
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.
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scheme.
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explanation to be ex post facto and ad hoc.
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or Mendenhall?
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it almost seems that Ron Beard has some sort of hypnotic
zeal which silences all opposition.
Yes, in the sense of human history and culture.
Is it important enough to have two definitions for those two things?
That is the active argument in the ITU-R arena.
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, and to human culture.
This is not an argument about mean but about meaning. It is an
argument about whether units of measure whose names are the same as
earlier concepts which are not time will be allowed to invalidate the
original concepts on which they were based.
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on the current draft revision of TF.460 feel equally
empowered to change the wording.) Anyway, if the limit on DUT1 is
increased thus then it might make sense to re-instate the mythical
POSIX double leap second.
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://aa.usno.navy.mil/publications/docs/Circular_179.php
and for those who want code to implement these calculations the USNO
NOVAS library is unencumbered.
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/software/novas/novas_info.php
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.
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be preparing our children for the
day when the rates of TT and TAI differ. Alternatively, the IAU might
redefine TT again. It's hard to say which would cause less grief.
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the entirety of
written human history. No astronomical observation was ever likely to
distinguish the change.
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to the tz
mailing list and to advise them on the expected lead time required for
changes to zoneinfo files to be propagated to all affected operating
systems?
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of time continues to deserve input
from astronomical measurements.
We have the technical means to do both. The question is about the will.
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service.
http://sup1.certichron.com/?p=2977
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and the context for that is CCIR Recommendation TF.460-1. I believe
that revision of TF.460 specifies a tolerance of 1 second as well as
saying GMT.
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this makes us only 41 years
behind the experts in grokking the concept of coordinate time.
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timestamps with systems that
have complied with POSIX.
Other than that it looks like people are doing this, they just seem
not to like to talk about it, perhaps because POSIX-non-compliance
violates FIPS.
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with any POSIX-compliant system.
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machines,
or other language environments, running programs on the same physical
machine to produce local times which differ by an hour is not an
argument for nor against leap seconds.
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opposed to the notion that
TAI be used in this way and thus there is no scheme for
distributing TAI, how exactly are these systems getting
TAI? For that matter, what are these systems?
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UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural
On Thu 2011-03-03T19:52:10 +, Tony Finch hath writ:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/uk_policy_on_leap_seconds
Many thanks.
I see the RIN reply, and its bullet text and my response is, colloquially
headdesk
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On Thu 2011-03-03T12:37:11 -0800, Steve Allen hath writ:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lear-iana-timezone-database/
proposes a means for distributing zoneinfo via XML.
oops, the URL is
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-douglass-timezone-service/
In particular note
time is subject
to leap seconds once every few years that must be correctly handled.
Although the ICD200 describes the correct way to handle leap seconds,
some receivers still handle them wrongly and can cause a timing error.
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Now I know where to aim my solar tracker 4000 years ago...
http://www.nrel.gov/features/20110330_solar.html
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, and 2004
Those first 3 years will have been calculated using the FK5
conventions that started in 1984. The last year will have been
calculated using the IAU 2000 conventions that started in 2003.
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to such the response is so much like a discourse by Plato or Buddha
that I'm no longer convinced the question has a good answer.
But there are (multiple) realized and disseminated forms of UTC,
and the reason for that is ITU-R TF-460.
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with leap seconds as defined by the series of documents ITU-R
TF.460 through TF.460-6?
Or the one without leap seconds as defined by POSIX, IEEE P1003.1?
Or the one in Android devices (which is really GPS time, not UTC)?
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and accumulating errors without resets ever since the
earthquake.
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,
but it can't be shut off by a power switch
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According to this podcast the concept of Greenwich Mean Time
originated with railroads in 1840.
http://www.theworld.org/2011/05/greenwic-mark-ovenden-railway-maps/
I guess it's sorry to all you sailors and the almanacs from before that.
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reconsideration at the point when somebody wins the
Nobel prize for demonstrating diurnal gravitational potential
variations in rates of chronometers on the geoid, or the point when
there is significant deployment of precision chronometers at locations
far removed from the geoid.
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, and that is the problem that CDF maintainers
face.
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University
.
By comparison leap seconds are trivial.
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://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/right+gps.html
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/the-future-of-time-utc-and-the-leap-second
and that is limited to subscribers.
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has ever wanted to try being Daniel Gambis of the
IERS and declare a leap second, see the web page for the recipe.
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recommendations seems to consist
of requests for some agency to revise or suppress some document which
encroaches on the territory of another. Unfortunately for the sake of
system implementors the agencies are still engaged in the negotiations
about where the boundaries are.
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will interpolate within the day and then add the high
frequencies back.
Such a user is likely to be involved with pulsar timing or VLBI
or high precision satellite geodesy.
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, not on TAI.
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On Fri 2011-06-17T10:19:09 -0700, Steve Allen hath writ:
Here's something I missed until today: CCTF/09-38
http://www.bipm.org/cc/CCTF/Allowed/18/CCTF_09-38_CGPM-ITU-resp.pdf
the CIPM advises the 24th CGPM that henceforth the CGPM should
assume responsibility for the definition
On Mon 2011-06-20T14:08:07 +, Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ:
In message 20110620134625.ga3...@ucolick.org, Steve Allen writes:
In response, Dr Beard pointed
out that regulatory and related activities are also key issues for
definition of time scales, and that the ITU
processes were too dysfunctional to satisfy their needs in any sort of
timely fashion. So it was the growing awareness of that disregard of
the existing recommendations which started this bandwagon rolling.
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responses.
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In Pennsylvania USA on 2011-10-05/06
http://futureofutc.org/
In London UK on 2011-11-03/04
http://royalsociety.org/events/UTC-for-21st-century/
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On 2011 Jul 9, at 18:04, Steve Allen wrote:
In Pennsylvania USA on 2011-10-05/06
http://futureofutc.org/
In London UK on 2011-11-03/04
http://royalsociety.org/events/UTC-for-21st-century/
In the case of the 2003 Colloquium on UTC in Torino there were 39
participants, 10 of whom were from
was so much surprised,
that for the moment she quite forgot how to speak good English)
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On Mon 2011-08-01T16:12:31 -0700, Steve Allen hath writ:
The most recent issue of Metrologia has appeared, entirely on time.
http://iopscience.iop.org/0026-1394/48/4
Upon inspection it is evident that the only article which mentions
POSIX time and application software is the one by Seidelmann
rules best suited for its purposes.
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the usage of that term by the CGPM.
This bit of history is strangely commensurate with Terry Quinn's
suggestion in the most recent issue of Metrologia that the ITU-R
should relinquish authority of UTC to the CGPM.
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are very
difficult to obtain). The originals give a clearer picture of who was
trying to do what and their contemporary understanding of the issues.
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On Fri 2011-09-16T10:54:24 +, Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ:
I can fully understand Googles workaround as a way of coping with
leap seconds.
Unless I'm mistaken it is compliant with POSIX.
That doesn't mean it's the best way forward from the status quo.
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supposing my time would be better spent going to the
library, checking out Ayn Rand's collected work, and reading it all.
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On 2011 Sep 18, at 17:20, Doug Calvert wrote:
What is SOFA?
http://www.iausofa.org/
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the sociology of creating a civil time community which is itself
civil. I think we could learn several things from them.
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and continues
through the very documents which the CCIR published about UTC.
At the CCIR Plenary Assembly in 1978 when CCIR Rec. 460-2 were
published the supporting documentation literally rejoices at the 1975
CGPM resolution which says that UTC is mean solar time.
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will to conform to existing treaties and resolutions is
not evident.
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regrettable misunderstandings, especially between
astronomers and physicists, have crept into discussions on time and
frequency.
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.
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be true for the topic of this list.
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.
On a much more useful note, Daniel Gambis pointed to the survey results
http://hpiers.obspm.fr/eop-pc/questionnaire/result.php
I am surprised at the 75% for status quo.
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is on getting the contributed documents into a form
suitable for publication as soon as possible. That still won't
answer the second question.
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they
would have been representing the US while asserting a position
contrary to federal law. Subsequent to that the underlying notion
was encapsulated by Valve Corporation in the phrase
the cake is a lie.
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On Mon 2011-10-31T10:13:24 -0700, Steve Allen hath writ:
You have a document where they actaully said UTC leap hours ?
National Committee document 1893 from USP7A was openly published on
the FCC website for review by US citizens. See the last page.
http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs
different Member States
for the latest survey (out of a total of 192 Member States, 55 of
which participate in the formation of UTC) - 13 being in favor of
the change, 3 being contrary.
apathy?
not wanting to be the daisy standing tall enough to be lopped off?
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second is just another routine change.
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according to
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/canada/Time+move+Canada+resists+change+atomic+timekeeping/5698405/story.html
and many other syndication points for that article
there was a Nov 8 statement from Quinn and Arias.
Can anyone point to that statement?
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.
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seeing about POSIX and C time
because the standards documents are self-inconsistent in the
presence of the reality that UTC has had leap seconds.
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On Thu 2011-11-17T06:49:59 -0800, Steve Allen hath writ:
It works like the javascript on this page
http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/epochtime.html
which risks restarting some totally pedantic and legalistic
arguments of the sort we're now seeing about POSIX and C time
because
on the net imply that pretty much nobody
uses that feature. Some such systems systems seem not to bother
because they have been running since before there was a GMT offset
notion, so they actually keep local time.
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UCO
to be $80.
This should become clearer, but not until after the holiday.
Watch for updates.
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On Thu 2011-11-24T09:53:50 -0800, Steve Allen hath writ:
Watch for updates.
The price for the CDROM version is now updated.
http://www.univelt.com/Science.html
with the hardcover (and CDROM) version
http://www.univelt.com/book=3042
and the CDROM version
http://www.univelt.com/book=3043
) are irrelevant, and the difference
between mean solar time and the more uniform time scales can be
predicted well enough for its indicators.
As Rob mentioned, read the preprint at futureofutc.org
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for all languages).
So sometimes the delegates to the Plenary Assembly do more than just
assent, and 460 in particular shows examples of this.
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The CDROM version of the proceedings of the futureofutc.org meeting
Decoupling Civil Timekeeping from Earth Rotation
is now shipping from Univelt.
http://www.univelt.com/book=3043
Preprints (which lack the indexing features) remain online.
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that the reporters are not getting.
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and
pulling them out of the ITU-R library.
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http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/hintergrund/wissenschaft/geht_es_der_schaltsekunde_an_den_kragen_1.14266285.html
says that Switzerland abstains from the TF.460 vote
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Steve Allen s...@ucolick.orgWGS-84 (GPS)
UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165
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