Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-28 Thread Jeff Kowalczyk
Joshua D. Drake writes: > > The migration to git would be most welcome. Would it not be better to make a > > clean* svn to git conversion one time in the near future? > > We aren't migrating the SVN. SVN will be for 1.3 and below only. 2.0 is > a clean cut. I like a clean respository as much as

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-28 Thread Ed W
On 26/07/2010 22:01, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 15:45 +, Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: >> >> The migration to git would be most welcome. Would it not be better to make a >> clean* svn to git conversion one time in the near future? > We aren't migrating the SVN. SVN will be for 1.3

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-27 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 20:31 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Joshua D. Drake writes: > > I know many companies (mine included) that forgo the pain of payroll > > and have a service do it. > > Sounds like much larger companies than I'm referring to. Right and I think the larger companies can certainly

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Adam Thompson
Subject: Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB Joshua D. Drake writes: > I know many companies (mine included) that forgo the pain of payroll > and have a service do it. Sounds like much larger companies than I'm referring to. -- John Ha

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread John Hasler
Joshua D. Drake writes: > I know many companies (mine included) that forgo the pain of payroll > and have a service do it. Sounds like much larger companies than I'm referring to. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Gerald Chudyk
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:56 PM, John Hasler wrote: > David writes: >> This is why I do not think you should target the same market as >> shrink-wrapped proprietary accounting software.  I'm not trying to be >> facetious, and I certainly don't mean to dismiss Free Software.  I'm >> just saying it

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 17:18 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Joshua D. Drake writes: > > There is a large swath of users that (millions) that if built properly > > that we open up LedgerSMB to. > > Only when it handles payroll (in fact there's a large swath of users > that supporting payroll would open

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Gerald Chudyk
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> >> > We *need* at least as an option to provide simple, easy to modify, >> > preferably from the browser, templates. >> > > > Or is a book keeper for a small business. > Small Business as a market means many things to different people. I w

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Adam Thompson
> From: David F. Skoll [mailto:d...@roaringpenguin.com] > > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > Spoken like a true geek. This isn't hard folks. The web has the whole > > print thing down as long as you are using a modern browser. Simple > > web-pdf tools exist as well. > > Color me skeptical. There a reas

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread John Hasler
David writes: > This is why I do not think you should target the same market as > shrink-wrapped proprietary accounting software. I'm not trying to be > facetious, and I certainly don't mean to dismiss Free Software. I'm > just saying it caters to a different market segment. I have an acquaintan

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread John Hasler
Joshua D. Drake writes: > There is a large swath of users that (millions) that if built properly > that we open up LedgerSMB to. Only when it handles payroll (in fact there's a large swath of users that supporting payroll would open LedgerSMB up to with no other changes. -- John Hasler jhas...

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread David F. Skoll
Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> Color me skeptical. There a reason most small-business accounting >> systems are *not* web-based. > Quickbooks online > Quicken online > Microsoft Dynamics > Netsuite Yes, but how do they generate printed invoices? HTML+CSS or PDF that bypasses the browser's rendering

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Adam Thompson
> You just illustrated exactly why it needs to be done. A few steps up from > writing postscript? NOBODY writes postscript. > :D Umm... I do. I do recognize that debugging Postscript isn't exactly a mainstream skill, however . Nor do I do it more than once every four or five years, nowadays.

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 17:17 -0400, David F. Skoll wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > >> If you are dreaming of a situation in which LedgerSMB is used *and > >> customized* by "average" office workers, I'd say LaTeX is the least of > >> your worries. > > > Spoken like a true geek. This isn't hard

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread David F. Skoll
Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> If you are dreaming of a situation in which LedgerSMB is used *and >> customized* by "average" office workers, I'd say LaTeX is the least of >> your worries. > Spoken like a true geek. This isn't hard folks. The web has the whole > print thing down as long as you are usi

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 03:13 -0430, Walter Vargas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello from Venezuela > > About the intention to eliminate LaTeX, I think, you can have > something like templates in XML or DocBook, and then convert to other > formats, including LaTeX.

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 15:45 +, Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: > Joshua D. Drake writes: > > Lastly, for 2.0 we are moving to Git. We have already created the > > repository and will slowly begin to populate over the coming months. > > > > http://github.com/commandprompt/LedgerSMB > > The migration to

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 02:08 -0400, Luke wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jul 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > 2.0 of LedgerSMB is going to branch soon. The primary goal of 2.0 is to > > Is there any intent to do a final release of 1.3, or will it continue to > be worked on concurrently? Yes. There will be

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 15:36 -0700, Gerald Chudyk wrote: > Hopefully in the future there are enough templates to choose from, and > at a sufficient level of completeness that Sue doesn't need to > customize much. If she can create sophisticated spreadsheets from > Excel templates and build Access d

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 18:08 -0400, David F. Skoll wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > Latex may be great for you but if I walk into an office and say, "Sue, > > here is how you customize templates" and its tex? I might as well walk > > back out, cause she will have none of it. > > If you are dr

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-25 Thread Stroller
On 25 Jul 2010, at 19:02, Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: > Joshua D. Drake writes: >> I firmly believe we need to eliminate Latex or at least not make it a >> requirement and move to more modern technologies to generate >> invoices. > > I appreciate and like LaTeX output. LaTeX::Table [1] seemed like

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-25 Thread Darren Wiebe
On 24/07/2010 4:49 PM, David A. Bandel wrote: > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 17:08, David F. Skoll wrote: > >> Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> >> >>> Latex may be great for you but if I walk into an office and say, "Sue, >>> here is how you customize templates" and its tex? I might as well walk >>>

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-25 Thread Jeff Kowalczyk
Joshua D. Drake writes: > I firmly believe we need to eliminate Latex or at least not make it a > requirement and move to more modern technologies to generate invoices. I appreciate and like LaTeX output. LaTeX::Table [1] seemed like something I would want to build templates around. The problem w

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-25 Thread Jeff Kowalczyk
Joshua D. Drake writes: > Lastly, for 2.0 we are moving to Git. We have already created the > repository and will slowly begin to populate over the coming months. > > http://github.com/commandprompt/LedgerSMB The migration to git would be most welcome. Would it not be better to make a clean* svn

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-25 Thread Walter Vargas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello from Venezuela About the intention to eliminate LaTeX, I think, you can have something like templates in XML or DocBook, and then convert to other formats, including LaTeX. In fact, one of the features that I like is that I can make invoices in

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-24 Thread Luke
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010, David F. Skoll wrote: >> We *need* at least as an option to provide simple, easy to modify, >> preferably from the browser, templates. > > How many people have asked for that? (Just curious.) I don't know, but I lost one significant corporate customer in part because of it.

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-24 Thread Luke
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > 2.0 of LedgerSMB is going to branch soon. The primary goal of 2.0 is to Is there any intent to do a final release of 1.3, or will it continue to be worked on concurrently? > eliminate all legacy code from our SQL-Ledger heritage. However, there > ar

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-24 Thread David A. Bandel
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 17:08, David F. Skoll wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >> Latex may be great for you but if I walk into an office and say, "Sue, >> here is how you customize templates" and its tex? I might as well walk >> back out, cause she will have none of it. > > If you are dreaming o

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-24 Thread Gerald Chudyk
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 16:24 -0400, David F. Skoll wrote: >> Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> >> > I firmly believe we need to eliminate Latex or at least not make it a >> > requirement and move to more modern technologies to generate invoices. >>

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-24 Thread David F. Skoll
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Latex may be great for you but if I walk into an office and say, "Sue, > here is how you customize templates" and its tex? I might as well walk > back out, cause she will have none of it. If you are dreaming of a situation in which LedgerSMB is used *and customized* by "a

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-24 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 16:24 -0400, David F. Skoll wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > I firmly believe we need to eliminate Latex or at least not make it a > > requirement and move to more modern technologies to generate invoices. > > What? Why? LaTeX produces beautiful output and makes it ea

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-24 Thread Darren Wiebe
On 24/07/2010 1:47 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Hello, > > 2.0 of LedgerSMB is going to branch soon. The primary goal of 2.0 is to > eliminate all legacy code from our SQL-Ledger heritage. However, there > are other goals that others may have that I would like to start a > discussion on. > > My P

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-24 Thread David F. Skoll
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > I firmly believe we need to eliminate Latex or at least not make it a > requirement and move to more modern technologies to generate invoices. What? Why? LaTeX produces beautiful output and makes it easy to customize the printed results. What do you propose to use inst

[Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-24 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Hello, 2.0 of LedgerSMB is going to branch soon. The primary goal of 2.0 is to eliminate all legacy code from our SQL-Ledger heritage. However, there are other goals that others may have that I would like to start a discussion on. My Primary goals are: I firmly believe we need to eliminate Latex