Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-02 Thread Ed Avis
I think if your planned licence change requires people to agree to these very lengthy and legalistic 'terms and conditions' then it's an indication that you are doing something wrong. As far as I can tell Wikipedia doesn't have 'terms and conditions' on the website, despite being equally

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-02 Thread Matt Amos
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Ed Avise...@waniasset.com wrote: As far as I can tell Wikipedia doesn't have 'terms and conditions' on the website, despite being equally dependent on user contributions and with more scope for legal risk from libel, offensive content and so on.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-02 Thread Ed Avis
Russ Nelson r...@... writes: Some of the stuff is there to help enforce the database license. If we had a license that didn't give us the occasion to sue anybody, we wouldn't need terms like that, but in fact we DO plan to sue SOMEBODY, sooner or later. And it's only reasonable to then be

[OSM-legal-talk] copyright for IGN maps from morocco

2009-07-02 Thread Martin
Hi I would like to know if it is allowed to trace over the maps from: http://www.ml-datos.com/4/ficheros/mapas/marruecos/IGN%201-250.000/ I already know that it is allowed for: http://www.madmappers.com/mapset.php?MS=182 http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/north_africa/ since they are listed

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-02 Thread Matt Amos
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Ed Avise...@waniasset.com wrote: Matt Amos zerebub...@... writes: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy see also the terms at the bottom of every edit box. These terms and conditions don't try to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-02 Thread Matt Amos
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Matt Amoszerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Ed Avise...@waniasset.com wrote: Matt Amos zerebub...@... writes: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy see also the terms at the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-07-02 Thread Russ Nelson
On Jul 2, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Nonetheless if the OSM community wants a share-alike license, it has to use this sort of language. Indeed. Consider what you would say if a lawyer looked at a program and said Why do we need all this codese? -- Russ Nelson -