Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-25 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Heiko Jacobs wrote: A real ODBL-OSM can only be build with "home copies" of the data of the contributors who said yes. They cannot copy their own edits from CC-OSM, because this also will be a condensation of CC-OSM ... I don't think so. Copyright is not based on the phy

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-25 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:50 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > On 25 July 2010 12:21, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > TimSC wrote: > >> We should also get an official statement from OSMF that they will not > >> assert their database rights on our contributions. > > > > Of course if OSMF were to say that t

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-25 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 25 July 2010 12:21, Frederik Ramm wrote: > TimSC wrote: >> We should also get an official statement from OSMF that they will not >> assert their database rights on our contributions. > > Of course if OSMF were to say that they don't assert database right on any > contribution made by PD people

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-25 Thread Todd Huffman
Can you point me to a reference on this? Ideally there would be a resource which laid out which jurisdictions one can put something into public domain. Thanks, > Never mind what Richard says, there's also some other points > 1) You can't actually put anything into the public domain in most > jur

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-25 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > By the way, the database right exists - in certain jurisdictions like the > EU - even if it is not asserted. That means, OSMF is likely to hold database > rights over the database even today. But CC-BY-SA says nothing about > granting somebo

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-25 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Ok. There are two types of rights in "OSM" in its broadest sense: > > a) the rights in the individual contributions > b) the rights in the database as a whole > > The user preference refers to (a). So your choice for a is 1) DbCL or 2

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, TimSC wrote: Richard and Frederik observed that a database right is probably owned by someone and that someone might be (partly) OSMF. By the way, the database right exists - in certain jurisdictions like the EU - even if it is not asserted. That means, OSMF is likely to hold database

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-25 Thread TimSC
On 25/07/10 01:17, Richard Weait wrote: Sure, they all might the great guys as of now, but suppose OSM becomes importatnt enough to big players, who says TeleAtlas or Google or someone won't get say new 1000 members in OSMF and have a strong majority of votes to pass any such thing? it's not li