Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 August 2010 14:13, Richard Weait wrote: > I'm surprised that some individuals in the community are pushing back > so hard on "free and open" not being the right approach. Some would Would that be GPL "free and open" of BSD "free and open" ? As I said before, why is most software GPL when

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-24 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Simon Biber wrote: > On Sun, 22 August, 2010 11:55:27 PM, Peteris Krisjanis > wrote: > >> As I'm interested in keeping my data within OSM and find a common ground with >>rest of you, I'm delighted to see that requests to specify 'free and open >>license' in CT se

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-24 Thread Simon Biber
On Sun, 22 August, 2010 11:55:27 PM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > As I'm interested in keeping my data within OSM and find a common ground with >rest of you, I'm delighted to see that requests to specify 'free and open >license' in CT section 3 has been taken into account[1]. Huge thanks and sorr

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Future relicensing in the contributor terms and data imports

2010-08-24 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
James Livingston writes: > On 23/08/2010, at 4:22 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> Not only the Contributor Terms - the whole project is. Data importing >> should always be the exception and not the rule. > > But is it though? I guess that's the nub of the issue with data imports > and licensing -

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL - a philosophical point

2010-08-24 Thread Rob Myers
On 08/24/2010 01:33 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: On 24/08/2010 11:35, Ed Avis wrote: ... under the proposed ODbL or whether it would technically be in breach of the contract-law provisions But presumably I as Joe Mapper wouldn't be restricted in going back to the OS with a bunch of errors that I've f

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL - a philosophical point

2010-08-24 Thread SomeoneElse
On 24/08/2010 11:35, Ed Avis wrote: ... under the proposed ODbL or whether it would technically be in breach of the contract-law provisions But presumably I as Joe Mapper wouldn't be restricted in going back to the OS with a bunch of errors that I've found after comparing what I've mapped wit

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms - The Early Years

2010-08-24 Thread SomeoneElse
On 23/08/2010 01:34, Richard Weait wrote: That's an open question for the lawyer that wrote the CT. In casual conversation with one lawyer ("casual" as in I wasn't paying the lawyer) Thanks Richard. What we could do with from the LWG (and I'm sure that they will look at doing it) is a "here ar

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL - a philosophical point

2010-08-24 Thread Ed Avis
Jukka Rahkonen writes: >It may be hard to give something back from OSM to many of the data >providers. Public domain sources like USGS cannot take the updates >because they are funded for producing public domain data >(http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2010-July/020016.html). >Orda

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Future relicensing in the contributor terms and data imports

2010-08-24 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 24 August 2010 11:18, James Livingston wrote: > On 23/08/2010, at 4:22 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Not only the Contributor Terms - the whole project is. Data importing > should always be the exception and not the rule. > > But is it though? I guess that's the nub of the issue with data impor

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Future relicensing in the contributor terms and data imports

2010-08-24 Thread James Livingston
On 23/08/2010, at 4:22 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Not only the Contributor Terms - the whole project is. Data importing should > always be the exception and not the rule. But is it though? I guess that's the nub of the issue with data imports and licensing - some people are against data imports

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL - a philosophical point

2010-08-24 Thread James Livingston
On 23/08/2010, at 6:54 PM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: > It may be hard to give something back from OSM to many of the data > providers. Public domain sources like USGS cannot take the updates > because they are funded for producing public domain data > (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/20