On 25 August 2010 14:13, Richard Weait <rich...@weait.com> wrote:
> I'm surprised that some individuals in the community are pushing back
> so hard on "free and open" not being the right approach.  Some would

Would that be GPL "free and open" of BSD "free and open" ?

As I said before, why is most software GPL when some are pushing for
the data to be more like BSD?

"Free and Open" have to be 2 of the most abused terms out there
because as Simon pointed out, they can mean the complete opposite of
each other depending who you are talking to and this ambiguity isn't a
good thing to some people, also as Simon pointed out one of the reason
I contributed to OSM is because it required share-a-like, and I won't
contribute to a mapping project that doesn't support this moral
objective, I'm not trying to force my morals on others, but I'm
disappointed that others are trying to force theirs on me. If they
want a PD project so much why don't they start their own on that basis
instead of sneaking things in through the back door?

> I'm surprised again because future "OSMF" or "LWG" will be just like
> you, or in fact actually be some of you.  Or your children. Or your
> grandchildren.

Yes, there has never been a political debate in history that hasn't
been gamed or won through dirty tricks at all.

Assuming the current 12-15k number of active contributors I only need
to setup 30k sock puppet accounts and that 2/3 majority will shift
very quickly in my favour, and if I do it by using cheap labour like
some companies do with breaking captchas I don't see this being much
of a problem for a few thousand dollars... which is pocket change to
some companies...

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