Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some interesting points from the bing license

2010-12-03 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: I believe there'll be a Bing Maps blog post going up soon on the same topic.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some interesting points from the bing license

2010-12-03 Thread Sam Larsen
- Original Message From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 19:02:55 Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some interesting points from the bing license Richard Fairhurst wrote: I believe there'll be a Bing Maps blog

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some interesting points from the bing license

2010-12-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Sam Larsen wrote: you cannot create permanent, offline copies of the imagery Isn't this why we couldn't use SPOT imagery for HOT in Pakistan using Potlatch - we were only able to use JOSM ( others) due to local caching of tiles in Potlatch. Is this an issue? No. Caching is not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some interesting points from the bing license

2010-12-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andrew Harvey wrote: I am yet to see a license. http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details has a set of terms of use embedded in the post specifically for OSM. It's a Scribd document and therefore requires Flash Player. There is also a PDF download link. If you are unable to see the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some interesting points from the bing license

2010-12-03 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Andrew Harvey wrote: I am yet to see a license. http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details has a set of terms of use embedded in the post specifically for OSM. It's a Scribd document and therefore requires

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-03 Thread David Groom
Original Message - From: Anthony o...@inbox.org To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2 On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:42 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some interesting points from the bing license

2010-12-03 Thread Mike Dupont
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Andrew Harvey wrote: I am yet to see a license. http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details has a set of terms of use embedded

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-03 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 December 2010 15:43, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I have no idea why it was actually put there, but one positive thing it does (besides nullifying the ODbL) is that it puts us all on an equal footing with OSMF.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-03 Thread Francis Davey
On 3 December 2010 14:14, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Okay, true.  I still think it accomplishes something very important which is the status quo under CC-BY-SA.  OSMF doesn't get any special rights which, for instance, a fork wouldn't have. Ah, I see, and I'm fairly sure that wasn't what

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-03 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2 [snipped for brevity] Yes. I am fairly clear that some

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Groom wrote: If the OSMF board wish to move OSM to PD They don't, rendering the rest of your e-mail moot. I mean, personally I think it'd be lovely if they did, but they don't. I'm slightly amazed that anyone can consider this who has ever read any licence-related postings by the chairman

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-03 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: David Groom wrote: If the OSMF board wish to move OSM to PD They don't, rendering the rest of your e-mail moot. I mean, personally I think it'd be lovely if they did, but they don't. I'm slightly amazed that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-03 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Rather, as Francis pointed out: A mistake? Someone infelicitously drafting the licence? It does happen you know :-). Or, as ever with OSM, never attribute to conspiracy that which can be adequately explained by

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some interesting points from the bing license

2010-12-03 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: Am I the only one that sees a problem with the legal foundation of tracing from Bing imagery? Take a look at how NearMap.com make their imagery available for tracing. On their website along with the their license of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-03 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 3 December 2010 16:21, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Rather, as Francis pointed out: A mistake? Someone infelicitously drafting

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

2010-12-03 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: However, I don't know of any jurisdiction where clear, plain language, unintended consequences are unenforcible. And, actually, you can ignore that I've even said that. I don't see the point in arguing over this. Suffice it to say

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some interesting points from the bing license

2010-12-03 Thread Lennard
On 3-12-2010 17:23, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Then you must have the same objection to tracing from Yahoo's imagery. Unlike Bing, there is no specific agreement between Yahoo and OSM. Yahoo only agreed that the act of tracing from the satellite imagery that they host and putting the traced

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some interesting points from the bing license

2010-12-03 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Personally I'm delighted that Bing is happy to work with us, and I think their attitude to permitting tracing without claiming a share in any (allegedly) resulting IP reflects very well on them when compared to Google