Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL "Produced Work"

2012-07-24 Thread Paul Norman
> From: Rob Myers [mailto:r...@robmyers.org] > Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL "Produced > Work" > > BY-SA doesn't cover databases though (any potential changes in 4.0 > notwithstanding). It's important to note that this is only true where databases (like OSM) are no

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL "Produced Work"

2012-07-24 Thread Tadeusz Knapik
Hello, >> instead of CC-By-SA, and in which case? What determines which actions >> are permitted, and which are not, and which license's rights are >> stronger? > Each license covers the material that it covers. > >> mountain tops - so it's not just 'tiles from and ODbL map'), it would >> have to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL "Produced Work"

2012-07-24 Thread Rob Myers
On 07/24/2012 10:01 PM, Tadeusz Knapik wrote: Hello, doesn't order him to attribute OSM, he uses my product). And then another one will use this last map to retrace the whole area into his CC-By-SA map. Where is the point of breaking ODbL license? You have to maintain attribution under BY-SA,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL "Produced Work"

2012-07-24 Thread Tadeusz Knapik
Hello, >> doesn't order him to attribute OSM, he uses my product). And then >> another one will use this last map to retrace the whole area into his >> CC-By-SA map. Where is the point of breaking ODbL license? > You have to maintain attribution under BY-SA, so OSM has to be attributed at > each p

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL "Produced Work"

2012-07-24 Thread Tadeusz Knapik
Hello, > ODbL has an attribution requirement. This lets you know where the original > database is from, and your responsibilities should you recreate part of it. > > Should you recreate part of the original database, you know your > responsibilities due to the link to the license from the attribut

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL "Produced Work"

2012-07-24 Thread Rob Myers
On 07/24/2012 08:19 PM, Tadeusz Knapik wrote: Hello, ODbL has an attribution requirement. This lets you know where the original database is from, and your responsibilities should you recreate part of it. Should you recreate part of the original database, you know your responsibilities due

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL "Produced Work"

2012-07-24 Thread Tadeusz Knapik
Hello, >> Do you state that ODbL license is equal to a patent when it comes to >> protect the data (apart from being 'free and open')? > No, I mentioned the patent as an example of non-copyright IP that persists > even through a CC-BY-SA chain where it is not mentioned at all. So, in my understand

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL "Produced Work"

2012-07-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 24.07.2012 18:01, Tadeusz Knapik wrote: Do you state that ODbL license is equal to a patent when it comes to protect the data (apart from being 'free and open')? No, I mentioned the patent as an example of non-copyright IP that persists even through a CC-BY-SA chain where it is not men

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL "Produced Work"

2012-07-24 Thread Tadeusz Knapik
Hello, > The currently accepted wisdom is that there exists a separate channel, > apart from copyright, in which database right persists no matter what > copyright license is used. > > This means that *if* somebody took lots and lots of CC-BY-SA-published > OSM maps and reverse-engineered them int

[OSM-legal-talk] License question: odbl use case

2012-07-24 Thread Juergen Kurzmann
Hi, with your help, I'll try to answer my own question posted (in full length) here: http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/14449/license-question-odbl-use-case I'd first like to mention that my customers, by now, are actively contributing to OSM and we absolutely want to stick to this spirit (n