Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Insurance for Mapping Party

2012-07-13 Thread Andy Robinson
As insurance is unlikely to be easy to arrange if it were me I would undertake a risk assessment for venue and mapping and then print off some A5's with the mitigation measures and make sure OSMers attending understand they are participating at their own risk and that these were the measures I iden

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Toronto data license: Incompatible with OSM

2009-11-14 Thread Andy Robinson
ling list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > -- Cheers Andy Robinson ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-11-02 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Richard Fairhurst wrote: >Sent: 02 November 2009 11:52 AM >To: t...@openstreetmap.org >Cc: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Illegal activity > >Pieren wrote: >> It's not the question about laws in France, Germany or US vs England. >> It's the question to know i

[OSM-legal-talk] FW: [OSM-newbies] Attribution

2009-10-30 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Punted to legal-talk -Original Message- From: newbies-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:newbies-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Chris Brierley Sent: 30 October 2009 9:22 PM To: newb...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-newbies] Attribution Hi all, Quick question if anyone is able to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267)

2009-10-15 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Ed Avis wrote: >Sent: 15 October 2009 11:34 AM >To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference >72267) > >Barnett, Phillip writes: > >>The crux point is what triggers a new copyright date. >> >>Guidance notes from the OPSI - > >>"A reprint

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267)

2009-10-13 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
o argue the >point, if you don't mind my quoting your correspondence. Otherwise I'll >just point him to the OPSI guidance) > >Cheers >Phillip > > > > >-Original Message- >From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk- >boun...@openstreetmap.o

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267)

2009-10-13 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
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[OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267)

2009-10-13 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
As I suspected the OS has taken a hard line with respect to copyright and publication date. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Customer Services [mailto:customerservi...@ordnancesurvey.co.uk] Sent: 13 October 2009 2:10 PM To: blackadder...@googlemail.com Subject: Crown copyright dates

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS map copyright expiry dates, FOI request

2009-09-30 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
I've mad a further FOI request to the OS today seeking clarification with respect to those OS maps that do not carry a Crown Copyright (c) date. This is the case with a lot of the First edition 1:25,000 sheets which have a published date and a separate corrections/changes/additions date. I'm very m

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM map usage

2009-07-07 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Can someone drop Alan a line with some pointers. Cheers Andy >-Original Message- >From: Alan Rowe [mailto:a...@potting-shed-cartoons.co.uk] >Sent: 07 July 2009 1:28 PM >To: secret...@osmfoundation.org >Subject: OSM map usage > >Hi Andy, > >I work as an self employed illustrator on the I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-06-26 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Peter Miller wrote: >Sent: 26 June 2009 2:58 PM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms > > >I fully support the process of adding a clear legal framework to the >project but the terms and conditions and license can't be considered >in isolation wi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM data grant

2009-06-18 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Andy Allan wrote: >Sent: 18 June 2009 6:29 PM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM data grant > >On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: > >> Yeah, I gotta admit that I'm wishing that we could protect the >> database as a database of geodata, wh

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL comments from Creative Commons

2009-03-25 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
"(contract fusion, database fission and anti-copyright-matter)". Inspired :-) Cheers Andy >-Original Message- >From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk- >boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Allan >Sent: 25 March 2009 7:09 PM >To: Licensing and other legal di

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Copyright Notice and Year

2009-03-23 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Using the last date is the approach I take for the 1:25,000 provisional/first edition maps I'm collecting. Most don't have a copyright date but luckily I have the excellent book on the 1:25,000 series written by Peter Hellyer which confirms what year a particular map edition/print edition appeared

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Telephone Debate

2009-03-12 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Liz wrote: >Sent: 12 March 2009 10:31 AM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Telephone Debate > >On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> Nick Black wrote: >> > I've always felt that you were completely aligned behind the aims of >OSM >> > - we can

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Possible datasources: Corine Land Cover 2000dataset

2009-03-12 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Ciprian Talaba: >Sent: 12 March 2009 9:28 AM >To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Possible datasources: Corine Land Cover >2000dataset > >Hi all, > >I know the discussion lately have been towards agreeing about an OSM >license, and probably this is not the best time to ask t

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Who is ODC and why do we trust them?

2009-03-02 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Peter Miller wrote: >Sent: 02 March 2009 8:57 AM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Who is ODC and why do we trust them? > > >On 2 Mar 2009, at 08:29, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> Hi, >> >>Grant wrote in his announcement: >> >> "... Therefore, we have worked wit

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] 23rd Dec board meeting

2009-01-26 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Rob Myers wrote: >Sent: 26 January 2009 9:58 PM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] 23rd Dec board meeting > >MJ Ray wrote: > >> As I understand it, once the trademark registration is confirmed (no >> matter who to), unauthorised commercial use of the mark bec

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing Working Group report, 2009/01/22

2009-01-23 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Frederik Ramm wrote: >Sent: 22 January 2009 11:10 PM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing Working Group report, 2009/01/22 > >Hi, > >Mikel Maron wrote: >> We want to move ahead with this draft of the license asap. The license >won't be perfect, >> but

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSMF board meeting minutes for December 2008?

2009-01-23 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] wrote: >Sent: 19 January 2009 2:39 PM >To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) >Cc: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' >Subject: Re: OSMF board meeting minutes for December 2008? > >Hi, > >Andy Robinson (blackadder-li

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSMF board meeting minutes for December 2008?

2009-01-19 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
9 11:49 AM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions.; Andy Robinson (blackadder- >lists) >Subject: OSMF board meeting minutes for December 2008? > >Hi, > >I know it's been the festive season and we're all still not done >eating all the left over chocolate but

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM Foundation / Domains / Trademark

2008-12-01 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
es back with a >'nothing found' for any search. It is also inconvenient when one wants to >quote from the minutes. > >Regards, > > > >Peter > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:legal-talk- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[OSM-legal-talk] FW: updated AGM pages for 2007 and 2008 and comments about minutes of foundation meetings in general

2008-11-21 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
-Original Message- From: Andy Robinson (OSMF) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2008 4:11 PM To: 'Peter Miller'; 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: updated AGM pages for 2007 and 2008 and comments about

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final callfor comments

2008-10-14 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Frederik Ramm wrote: >Sent: 14 October 2008 12:55 PM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final callfor >comments > >Andy, > >Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: >> You are already aware that the OSMF

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License License License

2008-10-14 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Simon Ward wrote: >Sent: 14 October 2008 12:32 AM >To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License License License > >On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:44:07PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> Tim Waters (chippy) wrote: >> >>> Going back to the newly uploaded draft [1]. Maybe it'

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] The Open Data Licence page on the wiki has notbeen updated since April 2008

2008-09-17 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Peter Miller wrote: >Sent: 17 September 2008 10:17 AM >To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org; 'Etienne'; 'SteveC' >Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] The Open Data Licence page on the wiki has >notbeen updated since April 2008 > >I notice that the Open Data Licence page on the OSM wiki has not been >updated sinc

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mass import of TeleAtlas data

2008-08-21 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Brian Quinion wrote: >Sent: 21 August 2008 2:49 PM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mass import of TeleAtlas data > >As an aside, > >I was unable to find any information / suggestions / procedure >documented on the wiki as what to do if you suspect someone

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mass import of TeleAtlas data

2008-08-21 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
I have written to this user to request clarification. cheers Andy >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:legal-talk- >[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederik Ramm >Sent: 21 August 2008 1:48 PM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mass i

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Temporary upload of sat images for evaluation (WMS)

2008-07-23 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Kristian, I suspect that what you are looking for is permission from the commercial partner to derive data from those images. This is what OpenStreetMap has as an agreement with Yahoo! However to keep control of the issue the WMS would need to be restricted in some way, perhaps by offering it as a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Change Status?

2008-07-01 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Frederik, Things have not stood still although we are currently reliant on the good will of others to help the process along. The proposed Open Database Licence, now called the ODbL licence for short, was updated/improved by Jordan a few weeks ago. The OSMF board have reviewed it and are very happ

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Crown copyright, OS and year of publication

2008-04-07 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Richard Fairhurst wrote: >Sent: 07 April 2008 5:09 PM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Crown copyright, OS and year of publication > >Tim Sheerman-Chase wrote: > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Out_of_copyright >> >> Is that interpretation about

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reverse Geocoding

2008-04-03 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Frederik Ramm wrote: >Sent: 03 April 2008 8:36 PM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reverse Geocoding > >Hi, > >> > What's your opinion? And would it change should the proposed new >> > license >> > get adopted? >> >> a. It's a bit of a moot point, because C

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reverse Geocoding

2008-04-03 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Richard Fairhurst wrote: >Sent: 03 April 2008 8:25 PM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reverse Geocoding > >Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> What's your opinion? And would it change should the proposed new >> license >> get adopted? > >a. It's a bit of a moot poin

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-19 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Frederik Ramm wrote: >Sent: 19 March 2008 3:00 PM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update > >Hi, > >> Bully for you. What's in it for other participants? More abuse that >> they can't give conclusive answers and aren't not qualified lawyers? > >We

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Richard Fairhurst wrote: >Sent: 18 March 2008 10:54 AM >To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand > >Robin Paulson wrote: > >> (c) Crown Copyright > >w00t, Robin found his Shift key! ;) > >> even with 5 of these displayed on screen at any one

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Robin Paulson wrote: >Sent: 18 March 2008 9:42 AM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions.; List for OpenMoko community >discussion >Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand > >land information new zealand is a government org that holds data on >roads and properties for the en

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the "loss of data" claim

2008-02-20 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Frederik Ramm wrote: >Sent: 20 February 2008 10:33 AM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the "loss of data" claim > >Hi, > >> Interspersed within all the facts in the OSM data dump are a number >> of non-factual elements. There are both accide

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Beeing pragmatic

2008-02-20 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Jochen Topf wrote: >Sent: 20 February 2008 8:08 AM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Beeing pragmatic > >Hi! > >This projects prides itself to be pragmatic. In fact, Steves pragmatism >founded this project. His willingness to say: I don't care what other >people

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the "loss of data" claim

2008-02-19 Thread Andy Robinson
On 19/02/2008, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > The issue was quite simple. We need to have a license that better > > protects the OSM data > > Do we? What's the threat? How has it been assessed? I'm not aware of a threat being received but a number of individuals and some lega

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new dataLicence regime

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Frederik Ramm wrote: >Sent: 07 February 2008 9:22 AM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new >dataLicence regime > >Hi, > >> There are negative sides to a copyright assignment. A) We probably >> wouldn't get one from e.g. AND or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Progressing OSM to a new data Licence regime

2008-02-04 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
tim wrote: >Sent: 04 February 2008 11:32 AM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Progressing OSM to a new data Licence regime > >Hello, > >Few clarifications and questions about use cases. > >If I distribute web mapping of my special company data and OSM, I >do