Re: [OSM-legal-talk] When does a produced work has to be share-alike?

e, you only have to release a derivative database if it is published. If all you're doing with it is sending it to a printer, who is working for you, and who will not make the file available to anyone else, then that's not a publicly used database, so the share-alike requirement doesn

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution

+1 I know of a few sites who have not responded to my email. what is the next step? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 30/04/2014 00:34, Simon Poole wrote: Just a reminder, this thread started of with a discussion of attribution, or rather lack of such. I don't think there is very

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution

I couldn't agree more. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 28/04/2014 19:42, Steve Coast wrote: http://stevecoast.com/2014/04/28/attribution-is-it-time-to-name-and-shame/ -- OpenStreetMap <http://osm.org/> is the global, open and free map dataset that anyone can use. It is c

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform "virtual survey"

ure and OSM could just descend into a legal black hole. Google would love that! We MUST be whiter than white. The Open in OpenStreetMap is a responsibility as well as a right and to protect that right we must act responsibly. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 05/04/2014 16:50, Paulo Carval

[OSM-legal-talk] Improper Map Use

Hi, How does one challenge OSM use that breaks the license? Go here: http://www.wildlifetrusts.org/reserves/trench-wood-nature-reserve Scroll down and you'll see a Google Map/Image, if you change the layer to OSM the Google imprint and terms and conditions link remains :-( Jon

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution Requirements

at would happen if every data source started mandating that "our attribution must be in the corner"? Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, C

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License review request: Sardinia ad-hoc authorization

On 26/11/13 21:25, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Jonathan Harley writes: On 23/11/13 10:45, Simone Cortesi wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Paul Norman wrote: The mentions of the OpenStreetMap Foundation in the document are confusing, as to my knowledge no one from the OSMF is involved in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License review request: Sardinia ad-hoc authorization

butions remains with that contributor. This is why the requested attribution is "© OpenStreetMap contributors" and not © OSMF. You probably knew this, and this is just nit-picking, but this is the legal-talk list so we ought to be accurate. Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License / Copyright - OSM data for commercial use artistic map

tabase management system. The derived data is the only thing you must distribute freely (if asked to), and you can retain all rights on your other data, images and published maps. HTH - Jonathan Dear All, This might have been discussed several times, hence sorry for raising this que

[OSM-legal-talk] UK Open Gov License

Can someone advise me on whether the UK Open Government License allows for us to use it as a source in OSM? http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/2/ Thanks Jonathan -- http://bigfatfrog67.me ___ legal-talk mailing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] About CC-4.0 and ODbl

On 02/10/13 18:59, Rob Myers wrote: On 01/10/13 03:48 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 01/10/13 06:01, Stephan Knauss wrote: On 01.10.2013 06:28, Pekka Sarkola wrote: Questions: Is CC-BY-4.0 compatible with OSM current license (ODbl)? If data is released under CC-BY-4.0: can we import it to OSM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] About CC-4.0 and ODbl

there would probably be no "clash with our principles" in the case of CC-BY so long as the copyright owner was happy with our system for attribution. J. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffym

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger

he addition of observed physical features (routes being taken by users, perhaps?) A bunch of people expressed agreement with this at the time, but nobody has updated the wiki. Should I JFDI? Would anyone object? Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] produced work vs. derivative db

pendent (perhaps commercial) data sets without forcing the other data to be made public. J. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL

vative Database". very similar to LGPL. share-alike definetly applies to the data (or we should have the discussion if the result is collective or derivative DB) michal -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 w

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Content Licence for OSM Data

der right now. I raised this point on this very mailing list in October (in a much less thorough way). Michael Collinson replied and committed himself to seeing if it could be clarified. (He did say it was "low priority".) Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] produced work vs. derivative db

with OSM's data is exactly the sort of data the share-alike clause is intended to capture. thanks michal HTH! Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License question, user clicking on map

On 04/03/13 11:53, Pieren wrote: On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: Personally, I think this does leave a loophole where you could reverse engineer OSM's data from imagery, but as I said at the time, I'm not worried about it because so much accuracy would be lo

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License question, user clicking on map

On 02/03/13 16:17, Erik Johansson wrote: On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: So - *must* you make your database of user-sourced geodata available to the OSM community? I answer no, so long as it resulted from a produced work and This feel very iffy, I thought this had been

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License question, user clicking on map

OSM is useful to you, and you're collecting information which might be useful to other users of OSM, then why would you not share it with us? HTH - Jonathan -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License question, user clicking on map

;If the two datasets are independent ... this is a *Collective Database*. If you adapt them to work together (for example, by taking footpaths from the OSM data, roads from the third-party data, and connecting them for routing), this is a Derivative Database." J. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Man

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Regarding The New OSM License

i.openstreetmap.org/wiki/License/Use_Cases if there are any cases you're interested in that aren't covered there, could you let us know? Then we'll be able to improve it. Thanks, Jonathan -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com P

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] (c) statement on openstreetmap.org slippy map?

t limit ourselves to just doing whatever Google do. I think someone with the editing rights to do so should put the Copyright page back into line with the FAQ. Having them disagree just says "OSM is confused about this". For the same reason, I agree that the mobile version of OSM should have

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright and license page, how to do the details

he copyright page should say the same thing as the wiki page does. J. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK _

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Data consumer use cases

replace what's there now. Jonathan. On 05/11/12 19:46, Igor Brejc wrote: On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Harley <mailto:j...@spiffymap.net>> wrote: Michael's reply to you about the "trivial transformation guideline" of 30 October agrees wit

[OSM-legal-talk] Data consumer use cases

g slogans and product descriptions in place names, for example? Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Covent

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

nswer, but in the case where people are going to break the license and lie about doing so, it probably doesn't matter what the license says. J. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

On 30/10/12 13:47, Michael Collinson wrote: On 30/10/2012 13:07, Jonathan Harley wrote: [snip] One thing that's confusing me, is that http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright does not say what license applies to the contents. ODbL specifically says that it only applies to the databas

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

(After a hiatus - I've been discussing this off-list with Anthony and others.) On 22/10/12 23:13, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/10/22 Jonathan Harley : Anyway, the ODbL is explicit that an image is an example of a produced work, s

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

On 22/10/12 16:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/10/22 Jonathan Harley : You have an obligation to make your derivative database available, if you made one. or describe the details and release the code, how you did it, in this case you don't have to release the data. Oops, yes, I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

resulting work (which includes that map)? Certainly. But his own resulting work, incorporating yours, is still a produced work and so still requires the ODbL notice if published. J. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 3

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

the data derived from some imports. BTW just because the CTs say that the license *can* be changed, doesn't mean it's likely. Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CouchDB: Software Licenses under ODbL

ring some data in the same instance of a database as some OSM data doesn't automatically extend your ODbL responsibilities to that data. If there are no interdependencies, there's no problem. Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Best-Practise to use OSM data in games

ight, about the way to handle the data!? Hope this helps. (I have some PHP programming that I'm avoiding, so it was a welcome diversion to write this commentary.) Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

also putting off the contribution from the wait-and-sees as Frederik says. I suspect that we'll see the highest rates of remapping work in the few weeks immediately before and after the deadline. For that, we need the deadline. Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is the license change easily reversible?

he whole membership and not just the board? Do you mean the foundation membership or active contributors to OSM? Either would be better than leaving it to the board; I'd be happy with it being the OSMF membership. Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL implementation plan - extra phase proposal

the obvious way to communicate that. Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK ___

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL and publishing source data

On 30/11/11 06:02, James Livingston wrote: On 30 November 2011 01:03, Jonathan Harley <mailto:j...@spiffymap.net>> wrote: On 28/11/11 23:59, James Livingston wrote: Depending on the rendering, it may not be the same. The placements of name text can depend on othe

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL and publishing source data

uld depend on the algorithm. If the OSM data remain unmodified, then it could be creating a collective database, which is explicitly not a derivative database. Jonathan. -- Jonathan Harley: Managing Director : SpiffyMap Ltd Email: m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 31

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL and publishing source data

and to make sure that any useful modification of OSM's own data is shared back, and I think it achieves this. Jonathan. (IANAL but I have consulted one about ODbL.) -- Jonathan Harley: Managing Director : SpiffyMap Ltd Email: m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 w

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Adopt a PD-Mapper ....... was Re: Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD

me, but some people feel their work must be "protected" from commercial users who might want to improve it without sharing. If you like the intent of current license, you should like ODbL because it enforces that intent much more effectively, without the pitfalls of CC BY-SA. J. -

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open DataLicense/Community Guidelines for temporary file

On 30/06/11 11:55, David Groom wrote: - Original Message - From: "Richard Fairhurst" Jonathan Harley wrote: Really I'm at a loss to see the point of the share-alike clause (4.4). I can't think of a use-case for OSM where processing the database doesn't reduce

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open Data License/Community Guidelines for temporary file

en of being required to make it available on request? Who benefits? Jonathan. -- Jonathan Harley: Managing Director : SpiffyMap Ltd Email: m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com Post: The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Exception in Open Data License/Community Guidelines for temporary file

ns by "method", you might take a broader interpretation and tell the requester "my method was to use software X". I don't know if this would stand up in court, but then again, I very much doubt that demands for a derived database which has been deleted would either.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

On 03/02/11 10:18, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Jonathan Harley wrote: Making it impossible to make works where not all of the elements are free does nothing to protect the freedom of individuals to use OSM. That's as may be, but to restate the point made by Frederik, you can't simply

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

On 03/02/11 04:21, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 02/02/11 18:00, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 02/02/11 17:05, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Jonathan Harley wrote: Clearly no rendering of any map is going

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

On 02/02/11 18:58, Rob Myers wrote: On 02/02/2011 06:47 PM, Jonathan Harley wrote: I think we may have differing interpretations of the intent of the license. Mine is that the license is supposed to allow people to use the map in a variety of ways, online and in print, so long as any new data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

On 02/02/11 18:00, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 02/02/11 17:05, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Jonathan Harley wrote: Clearly no rendering of any map is going to be unmodified in the sense of having identical sequences of 0s and 1s to the database, in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

On 02/02/11 17:05, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Jonathan Harley wrote: Clearly no rendering of any map is going to be unmodified in the sense of having identical sequences of 0s and 1s to the database, in which case there could be no such thing as a collective work based on a database, ever. For

[OSM-legal-talk] Fwd: Using OSM material for our online tool

Forwarding to the developer and legal-talk lists. Original Message Subject:Using OSM material for our online tool Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:54:38 +0200 From: Ole Brandenburg To: CC: 'Thomas Gottfried' , To whom it may concern, I would be thankful if s

[OSM-legal-talk] Open Knowledge Conference (OKCon) 2009: London, 28th March 2009

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

of kindness. And I believe the OSM community would be better served by being more business-friendly. If only half of the commercial users of OSM choose to contribute back, we'll still be better off for their contributions. Which we won't get if we scare them a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Process for agreeing the new licence

I hope that this is compatible with what the OSMF are doing, however > following the best traditions of OSM, I am seeing a gap and just getting on > with doing what seems to need to be done. I think it's a great plan. Jonathan. --