Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new dataLicence regime

2008-02-07 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Frederik Ramm wrote: >Sent: 07 February 2008 9:22 AM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new >dataLicence regime > >Hi, > >> There are negative sides to a copyright assignment. A) We probably >&g

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new dataLicence regime

2008-02-07 Thread Dair Grant
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: >We need a situation where someone can say "Yes" when an enquiry >comes in, not "hire a lawyer to look at license XYZ". Otherwise the >data is useless for many purposes that everyone would agree it >should be allowed for. Unless you go for an unrestricted model like PD

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new dataLicence regime

2008-02-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > There are negative sides to a copyright assignment. A) We probably > wouldn't get one from e.g. AND or MASSGIS (although I'm speculating). B) > It would mean the scenario I mentioned to Frederik, where a commercial > company could sue a license violator, couldn't happen, because they > w

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new dataLicence regime

2008-02-07 Thread Gervase Markham
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > It's been proposed by me several times in the past. I think it's > essential. I don't know of a similar major project that doesn't do some > kind of assignment. Wikipedia is the nearest, but Wikipedia is a > collection of articles that all stand on their own. Can you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new dataLicence regime

2008-02-06 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gervase Markham wrote: | Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: |> Long term, we can avoid the ambiguity by making it clear that all data |> belongs to OSM, whoever that is (probably the foundation), then we can |> let the foundation change the license whenever t

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new dataLicence regime

2008-02-06 Thread Gervase Markham
Jordan S Hatcher wrote: > I'd like to note that, just to clarify, factual data is generally not > copyrightable, and so there would be nothing to assign. Why is it that we are assuming (and I'm not just saying this to Jordan) that the individual nodes and ways in OSM are "factual data"? I don't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new dataLicence regime

2008-02-06 Thread Jordan S Hatcher
On 5 Feb 2008, at 20:57, Frederik Ramm wrote: > What we could do is grant the foundation the right to dual-license the > data, either globally or to specific (paying?) users. But the license > that we now choose should remain fixed. On 5 Feb 2008, at 22:06, Gervase Markham wrote: > Robert (Jami

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new dataLicence regime

2008-02-06 Thread Jordan S Hatcher
My apologies but the DBL text seems to be mis-formatted -- probably as a result of my last wordpress update. It should be fixed now, but just in case the downloads offer the canonical version. Thanks! ~Jordan Mr. Jordan S Hatcher, JD, LLM jordan at opencontentlawyer dot com OC Blog: h

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new dataLicence regime

2008-02-05 Thread Rob Myers
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > I'm still think that the foundation owns everyone's data already. When > you sign up, it says: > "By creating an account, you agree that all work uploaded to > openstreetmap.org and all data created by use of any tools which connect > to openstreetmap.org is to be lic

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new dataLicence regime

2008-02-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Feb 2008, at 18:22, Tom Chance wrote: > What is the suggested time between the email and the delete steps, > by the > by? You obviously need a deadline but I'd need a good pub trip to > calm me > down if I found out all my data is wiped, I start fixing it and then > a week > or two later