Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-06-10 Thread Henk Hoff
Matt Amos schreef: > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:10 AM, 80n<80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Henk Hoff wrote: >> >>> So if you have a Produced Work based on: >>> - the database: no need for reverse engineering since the database is >>> freely available >>>

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-06-09 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:10 AM, 80n<80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Henk Hoff wrote: >> So if you have a Produced Work based on: >> - the database: no need for reverse engineering since the database is >> freely available > > The database is not freely available.  It is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-06-09 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Matt Amos wrote: >> my understanding is that, because we have database rights (and >> possibly other IP rights) in the original database, the re-created >> database is still (a substantial extract of) an ODbL licensed >> database. > > So you ca

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-06-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dave Stubbs wrote: > how does 4.3 interact with that, or any of this discussion > about bsd/whatever-the-hell-you-like licenses for produced > works? (the you must attribute the database on produced > works bit) I don't see any way in which ODbL allows you to distribute a Produced Work without

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-06-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Matt Amos wrote: > RichardF's findings on tracing over photographs make me wonder > whether similar arguments can be made for tracing over rendered > images. Well, the issue is whether licensing an image as BSD (or CC-BY-SA, or all-rights-reserved, or whatever) automatically "overwrites" all ot

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-06-09 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/6/9 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > > Matt Amos wrote: >> my understanding is that, because we have database rights (and >> possibly other IP rights) in the original database, the re-created >> database is still (a substantial extract of) an ODbL licensed >> database. > > So you can create a substanti

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-06-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matt Amos wrote: > my understanding is that, because we have database rights (and > possibly other IP rights) in the original database, the re-created > database is still (a substantial extract of) an ODbL licensed > database. So you can create a substantial extract of a database without ever

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-06-09 Thread 80n
> Sent: Saturday, 6 June, 2009 01:54:07 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > >> Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of > Produced Works > >> > >> > >> > >> The LWG has mentioned this issue with ODC. There wil

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-06-08 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Before, the reverse engineering clause would have kicked in and forced > FSM to be under ODBL. In the future, the above will be fully legal, and > the resulting FSM database, which contains facts derived from OSM data > but which were not in d

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-06-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Henk Hoff wrote: > It is proposed to removed the clause 4.7 altogether I think that is a good idea. Just to clarify: * I use OSM data to create a printed A-Z map of London (which is clearly not a data base, is it?) * I publish that produced work under a BSD license * A competing project

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-06-08 Thread Henk Hoff
Peter Millar schreef: > >> - Original Message - >> From: "Henk Hoff" >> To: "Licensing and other legal discussions." >> Sent: Saturday, 6 June, 2009 01:54:07 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, >> Portugal >> Subject: Re: [OS

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-06-07 Thread Peter Millar
> - Original Message - > From: "Henk Hoff" > To: "Licensing and other legal discussions." > Sent: Saturday, 6 June, 2009 01:54:07 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-06-05 Thread Henk Hoff
SteveC schreef: > On 6 May 2009, at 16:04, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> With 0.9, we identified the problem of "produced works" not being >> releasable under CC-BY-SA (or any other share-alike license, say >> GFDL or >> even GPL where included in software) because of the reverse

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-05-06 Thread SteveC
On 6 May 2009, at 16:04, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Mike Collinson wrote: >> The new text is available at >> http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ and includes "diff" >> versions so that you can see clearly what changes are made. > > With 0.9, we identified the problem of "produced work

[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-05-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Mike Collinson wrote: > The new text is available at > http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ and includes "diff" > versions so that you can see clearly what changes are made. With 0.9, we identified the problem of "produced works" not being releasable under CC-BY-SA (or any other sha