Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > As for the data consumers, Australia does have one great advantage: you're > an island (albeit a big one!). That makes it perfectly possible for data > consumers to use pre-1st April Australia data and post-1st April for the > rest of the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Andrew wrote: > Would it be an idea to invite international mappers to remotely remap > Australia (or Poland) by, for example, tracing side streets from photographs? > It could well have a stabilising effect that avoids any concer about armchair > mapping damaging

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-08 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 8 March 2012 23:57, Andrew wrote: > > Would it be an idea to invite international mappers to remotely remap > Australia (or Poland) by, ... I believe I have issued such an invitation. Initially, there are large parts of the coast and significant coastal waterways, lakes, islands, and other fe

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-08 Thread Andrew
Ian Sergeant writes: > The main issue is resources, time and the availability of tools.  There > simply hasn't been the time since the tools have become available to > complete what can be done in many areas with the resources we have left.I appreciate that much of the rest of the world is in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-08 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 8 March 2012 20:36, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Assuming you're going to be using the Australian government data, which > seems to be the general will of the .au community, you will find it much > easier to integrate that into a post-changeover database. I would gently > suggest you start tal

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
certainly a possibility and which I'm slightly surprised no-one in .au is doing. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-What-happens-on-April-1-tp5543035p5546893.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-07 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 8 March 2012 13:50, Nick Hocking wrote: > The presence of non compliant data in our database can only harm > the community and thereby the project. > ... I don't understand why some people are now > starting to "panic". Maybe it's just that time of month again where > we have to rehash the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: > The presence of non compliant data in our database can only harm > the community and thereby the project. > > The longer it stays there the more harm is being done to the > community/project. Two problems with that: a) You're not quantifying w

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-07 Thread Nick Hocking
The presence of non compliant data in our database can only harm the community and thereby the project. The longer it stays there the more harm is being done to the community/project. We should be trying to minimise the damage to OSM and the only way to do this is to. Remap madly until April

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote: > This is about bad news in the hands of the most connected of people.  These > are people who if they hate it will tweet it, facebook it, blog it, and > re-post it.   This will be the first contact with OSM for millions, and the > first time ma

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-07 Thread Ian Sergeant
Frederik Ramm wrote on 08/03/2012 10:11:14 AM: > So forgive me if I cannot see any "test case" in the Foursquare issue, > and I would be surprised if anyone else did! Plus, as I and others have > said, they're grown-ups and they must have been aware of the looming change. This isn't about Foursq

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-07 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 7 March 2012 16:57, Chris Hill wrote: > On 07/03/12 15:45, andrzej zaborowski wrote: >> >> I was wondering why people think that.  Even trying to put myself in >> place of someone who thinks the license change is the best thing since >> sliced bread I still can't see the reasons for remapping.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-07 Thread Chris Hill
On 07/03/12 15:45, andrzej zaborowski wrote: I was wondering why people think that. Even trying to put myself in place of someone who thinks the license change is the best thing since sliced bread I still can't see the reasons for remapping. First of all it costs more work than adding data from

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-07 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 7 March 2012 09:16, Frederik Ramm wrote: > If there really are people actively remapping and our rushing through the > license change would sabotage their work and alienate them then yes, we > should postpone for a month or two. Sadly, here in Germany many people are > of the opposite opin

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-07 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>I agree. Another reason not to is that the looming deadline is actually >motivating people to stop waiting for CT-undecideds to respond and do >remapping - I know it's motivating me and other people I've talked to. >Take away the deadline and you demotivate remappers, while also putting >off t

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-07 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 07/03/12 08:16, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 03/07/12 04:06, Steve Bennett wrote: Given that many people are now actively remapping, is there any prospect of pushing back the cutover deadline? If there really are people actively remapping and our rushing through the license change would

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03/07/12 04:06, Steve Bennett wrote: Could someone explain exactly what will be happening on April 1? I had initially assumed that we would take the database offline, drop all decliners' data, and then come back online. But it now seems that this might not even be required, and tha

[OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-06 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, Could someone explain exactly what will be happening on April 1? Will we really be purging all data from decliners? And if so, is this not terrible timing, given the recent, high-profile signups of companies like foursquare? Given that many people are now actively remapping, is there any