Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger

2013-07-23 Thread John Bazik
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:43:57AM -0700, Paul Norman wrote: > in a RDBMS table. For example, you could use a RDBMS as a k-v > store and store both OSM data and a completely unrelated set > of photos in it. On the other hand, you could use a schema which I guess I was just trying to make the (t

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger

2013-07-23 Thread Paul Norman
> From: John Bazik [mailto:m...@johnbazik.com] > Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:46:30PM -0700, Paul Norman wrote: > > What do you mean by fields? > > I mean columns in RDBMS tables. I don't believe you can make any

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger

2013-07-23 Thread John Bazik
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:46:30PM -0700, Paul Norman wrote: > What do you mean by fields? I mean columns in RDBMS tables. > One description for the OSM map database (planet.osm) is a database of > georeferenced shapes (including points) with associated data (what the shape > represents) and meta

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger

2013-07-22 Thread Paul Norman
> From: John Bazik [mailto:m...@johnbazik.com] > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 9:55 PM > To: Licensing and other legal discussions. > Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger > > > Well there's a pretty strong precedent by the largest user of OSM data > > t

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger

2013-07-22 Thread John Bazik
I see that most serious uses of OSM would be substantial. It's really the qualitative part that I find difficult to parse. > It sounds like you're confusing computer science and RDMS databases with the > legal concept of a database. For the rest of this message, I'm talking about > the legal conc

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger

2013-07-22 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 22/07/13 11:46, Paul Norman wrote: From: John Bazik [mailto:jba...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger What consitutes substantial? I've read many threads on this, but I find myself no more able to determine what that mig

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger

2013-07-22 Thread Paul Norman
> From: John Bazik [mailto:jba...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger > > What consitutes substantial? I've read many threads on this, but I > find myself no more able to determine what that might be. If

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger

2013-07-21 Thread John Bazik
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 11:16:42PM -0700, Mikel Maron wrote: > Maybe a clarification to the "Fairhurst Doctrine", which is that the trigger > is pulled if the database referencing an osm foreign key contains > "substantial" data that could be in OSM itself. For instance, we don't want > restaura

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger

2013-07-14 Thread Mikel Maron
me cases.   * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > From: John Bazik >To: legal-t...@lists.openstreetmap.org >Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 9:06 AM >Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger > > >I have read a lot about

[OSM-legal-talk] sharealike trigger

2013-07-14 Thread John Bazik
I have read a lot about the ODBL, including many threads on this list. I remain uncertain about what uses of osm data are allowed and what are not. The most subjective clause appears to be the one that differentiates between a collective work and a derivative work. The tipping point is referred t