Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ZIP codes from OSM in non-compatible licensed dataset

2019-10-14 Thread Lars-Daniel Weber
Sorry, this was a typo. Of course I mean houses in both cases:   Let's say you're creating a map of Western, taking houses from OSM in Germany and houses from proprietary data from all other countries, since OSM is incomplete here. Isn't this a mixture on the same layer?   Also, when

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] conflicting statements in Community Guidelines

2019-10-14 Thread Kathleen Lu via legal-talk
Recall that under the geocoding guidelines, it is not considered a substantial extra if "only names, addresses, and/or latitude/longitude information are included in the Geocoding Results," "the collection is not a systematic attempt to aggregate all or substantially all Primary Features of a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] map drawn based on OSM tiles

2019-10-14 Thread Kathleen Lu via legal-talk
I don't think the analogy is quite right. The Geocoding Guidelines say: Geocoding Results can be latitude/longitude pairs (as typical in forward Geocoding Results), and/or full or partial addresses and/or point of interest names (as typical in reverse Geocoding Results). Latitude/longitude pairs

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ZIP codes from OSM in non-compatible licensed dataset

2019-10-14 Thread Kathleen Lu via legal-talk
The additional guidelines are OSM-specific: https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 4:58 PM Lars-Daniel Weber wrote: > Sorry, this was a typo. Of course I mean houses in both cases: > > Let's say you're creating a map of Western, taking houses

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ZIP codes from OSM in non-compatible licensed dataset

2019-10-14 Thread Lars-Daniel Weber
> Extracting than 100 elements (non repeatable) from the databse accounts for >substantial. That's not correct. I can extract as many as I want. It's just not allowed that thew newly created database contains a substantial part of the OSM database. When I create 100 databases containing 100

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ZIP codes from OSM in non-compatible licensed dataset

2019-10-14 Thread Lars-Daniel Weber
From: "Martin Koppenhoefer" > "substantial investment" is not the same as monetary cost. The human time > that is > needed to collect and arrange the data is also an investment. Creating the items is *not* covered by the database directive. The amount of time needed to collect them actually

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ZIP codes from OSM in non-compatible licensed dataset

2019-10-14 Thread Lars-Daniel Weber
I totally have to agree with this.   Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Oktober 2019 um 23:24 Uhr Von: "Kathleen Lu via legal-talk" An: "Licensing and other legal discussions." Cc: "Kathleen Lu" Betreff: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ZIP codes from OSM in non-compatible licensed dataset     > Extracting

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] map drawn based on OSM tiles

2019-10-14 Thread Lars-Daniel Weber
According to community guideline for "Geocoding", I'm not using original OSM data in my new map at all. Since I've drawn lines from paper drawn on an Produced Work of OSM data, I don't have any of the original OSM elements in my final dataset, which are in the OSM dataset.   So, I just need to

[OSM-legal-talk] conflicting statements in Community Guidelines

2019-10-14 Thread Lars-Daniel Weber
Hi again, sorry for creating another topic, it's somehow related, but somehow different. Community Guideline "Horizontal Map Layers" doesn't allow to cherry-pick features within the same layer from a proprietary dataset to complete missing data in OSM without triggering share-alike. Community

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ZIP codes from OSM in non-compatible licensed dataset

2019-10-14 Thread Lars-Daniel Weber
From: "Kathleen Lu via legal-talk" > Lars-Daniel already said that they are kept in separate columns and not > de-duplicated. There is no requirement that, in order to function as a > Collective Database, data types may not be used together to create a > Produced Work. To the contrary, the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ZIP codes from OSM in non-compatible licensed dataset

2019-10-14 Thread Kathleen Lu via legal-talk
The reference to countries come from the Regional Cuts Guideline (and then the later Collective Database Guideline), in case that was not clear. I don't see how roads and houses (do you mean building footprints?) would be "mixture on the same layer" or why the layer matters since they're different