List members: Any comments on the following?
Macdonald
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An update on the historic victory of people over privatization in
Cochabamba, Bolivia
"Aguas del Tunari/Bechtel ... are currently suing the
Government of Bolivia for close to US $40 million. They want
Bolivians to
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Via Workers World News Service
Reprinted from the Jan. 25, 2001
issue of Workers World newspaper
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LUXEMBURG & LIEBKNECHT:
100,000 IN BERLIN HONOR MEMORY OF COMMUNIST HEROES
By John Catalinotto
Berlin
Some 100,000 people walked
For Rad-Greens: Any movement built on anti capitalist environmentalist issues that
leaves this behind *again* will be useless and bound to fail. Make the links and make
the alliance.
-Macdonald
INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AND THE FREE TRADE AREA OF THE AMERICAS: AN ALTERNATIVE
SUMMIT, CALL FOR PAPERS, PA
I would also like to point out that what I posted here (from another list) is also
from a subscriber to this list. In other words, if Alexander (or anyone else) would
like to take it upon him/herself to translate, you can direct your questions about
the KPRF directly to them. They have been quie
En relación a [L-I] Socialist Democracy at Home and Abroad,
el 19 Jan 01, a las 9:13, Tony Abdo dijo:
> Nestor, I believe that I probably was not clear in what I was saying
> about Third World country Social Democratic Movements.
>
> You wrote..
> extremely favourable conditions (such as tho
"Forwarded from Anthony" on Marxmail:
> If you look at the left in the United States since the Civil War you will
> find a huge selection of organizational forms that were tried and ALL FAILED.
Actually, both Lou and Anthony are *close* to correct, but they are too hard on us in
general. We have
En relación a [L-I] An update on the historic victory of people,
el 20 Jan 01, a las 2:22, Macdonald Stainsby dijo:
> List members: Any comments on the following?
>
> Macdonald
>
A couple of.
Duménil and Lévy (1999a, 1999b) [available, if I am not wrong, at
http://www.cepremap.cnrs.fr/~levy; th
En relación a [L-I] 100 000 in Berlin honor Communist heroes,
el 20 Jan 01, a las 2:55, Macdonald Stainsby dijo:
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> Via Workers World News Service
> Reprinted from the Jan. 25, 2001
> issue of Workers World newspaper
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> LUXEMBURG
En relación a Re: [L-I] Any translators? This from another list,
el 20 Jan 01, a las 5:46, Macdonald Stainsby dijo:
> > Sincerely,
> > Vladimir Sovetsky
A nom de guerre? Is "Vladimir child of the Councils" a true Russian name?
Just curious, actually.
Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
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>I am sure we'd all want to welcome Svetlana to this list. It is very good
to
>establish cordial relations with Russian leftist and working class
organisations. I
>hope that she will play an active part in our discussions. When comrades
honestly
>and sincerely strive to understand each other's pos
>>I and my comrades in Russia want to read Vladimir Bilenkin`s point of view
>>on problems disturbing us in living discussion with all other participants
>>of your list.
>>I hope, you will heed our request and correct the situation.
>>
>>Comradely,
>>Svetlana Baiborodova
>
>I think Vladimir was th
Nestor, I don't know that there is a scientific/ 'leninist' definition
of Social Democracy. You have pegged it with two aspects; trade
unionism and 'cooptation of the workers by the bourgeois state in an
imperialist formation'.
But can't workers be coopted by the bourgeois state outside the
i
Svetlana:
>May be I am mistaken because of my imperfect English but, in my opinion, the
>fraze from that letter "They bused illiterate blacks to the polls ", means
>not that the author considers that all Negro race is illiterate, but the
>indication to the fact that the operatives from the democr
>I am sure we'd all want to welcome Svetlana to this list. It is very good
to
>establish cordial relations with Russian leftist and working class
organisations. I
>hope that she will play an active part in our discussions. When comrades
honestly
>and sincerely strive to understand each other's pos
En relación a [L-I] ïÔ×ÅÔ: [L-I] To moderators from Russia - to,
el 20 Jan 01, a las 19:36, Svetlana Baiborodova dijo:
> ... you have not seen, that the indicated phrase belongs not to Vladimir but to
> his friend, whose letter was published on the Leninist-International list.
[...]
I agree wit
I absolutely agree with you, Svetlana. Vladimir and I have both been
deprived of our right to discuss these issues. And most importantly
still, other participants on this list have been deprived of the right
to see the issues debated.
This trigger happy attitude towards expelling people
- Original Message -
From: Svetlana Baiborodova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Svetlana, neither Louis or Mark are moderators here.
I hope you stay, but Bilenkin is not- EVER- welcome here. I hope that can be clear.
No Myers, no Bilenkin. Only one Jones.
Macdonald Stainsby
> I once again call upon the moderators to cancel their expulsion off
> list, of Vladimir, Owen, and Steve. It would be an act of characer
> to admit the mistake, rather than compounding it. It is no sin to do
> something mistakenly, and then to rectify it.
I like you Tony. But it ain't g
>Svetlana, neither Louis or Mark are moderators here.
>
>I hope you stay, but Bilenkin is not- EVER- welcome here. I hope that can
be clear.
>No Myers, no Bilenkin. Only one Jones.
>
>Macdonald Stainsby,
>Co-Moderator
>
Oh, I am sorry for my mistake. It was found that you are the boss of this
> Revolutions of the 20th century have been made by illiterate people.
>
> Louis Proyect
> Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org/
Far more often than by the literate, I would almost guarantee. If the revolution was
socialist, the illiteracy wasn't going to last for long.
Macdonald
Ugh. I hate the word "boss". It's sufficient grounds for suicide.
I am a co-moderator. Two women- Yoshie Furuhashi and Mine Aysen Doyran- are my
co-moderators. I speak clearly because I already know they agree to these points and
I merely received your message first. Bilenkin was dumped "unanimous
strana.ru
January 19, 2001
Russian officials boycott George W. Bush's inauguration celebration in Moscow
It has become known to Strana.Ru that there is a maturing opinion among the
invited leading Russian representatives of the presidential administration
and the government to boycott the recept
I have many friends who are supporters of the PRD. Many Californians and
trade unionists support them. But the PRD was criticized for not supporting
the Zapatistas clearly enough. Some Mexican friends of mine state that the
leadership of the PRD were former PRI folks. Yes, I would say that
Let me see if I have all this right? Johannes wanted Vladimir off
list, with Steve and Owen off? Nestor wants Vladimir on, but Steve
and Owen off.Mark is not a list moderator, yet assures us that
certain folk shall not return.And Lou is against having people use
the word illiterat
Tony:
> Mark is not a list moderator, yet assures us that
> certain folk shall not return.
I'm not a moderator so can't keep people off the list. Those who have left all seem
to be highly active (fissile, in some cases) on other lists, so anyone wanting to
debate them still can.
>what about th
>I like you Tony. But it ain't gonna happen.
>The mistake was waiting so long that all of these characters got
comfortable. Beyond
>that, as far as Bilenkin goes, he was only partially removed because of his
>endorsement of racist filth against US Blacks.
>I am a co-moderator. Two women- Yoshie F
Yeah, but it might be a pseudonym too - in the best traditions
of Lenin-Trotsky-Stalin...
Have a nice weekend,
Alexander
At 12:36 PM 1/20/2001 -0300, you wrote:
>En relación a Re: [L-I] Any translators? This from another list,
>el 20 Jan 01, a las 5:46, Macdonald Stainsby dijo:
>
>> > Sincerel
There is a tendency on this list to give a highly sophisticated
explanation to often ordinary events.
The question is NOT about problems of education in the U.S.
The question is did "they" REALLY provide free transportation to
poorly educated voters to get their votes? Or did "they" NOT?
Is it T
I wonder why Svetlana is so upset because of Bilenkin's expulsion only
and not about expulsion of Myers. In the end, it was Myers who arranged
a tour to England and somewhere else for Oleg Shein
(Bilenkin would say, "bused literate Shein to Europe"),
co-chairman of Defence of Labour trade union
Svetlana Baiborodova wrote:
>
> I go away, be happy!
Svyetichka, this already your 5th or 6th curtain call, are you going or staying?
Privyet,
Mark
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Mark Jones wrote:
> Tony:
>
> >what about the general question of 'free speech'?Should
> > it be limited in a 'free society'?
>
> This is a very interesting question. What did Lenin and/or Marx have to say about
> it?
Freedom of speech refers only to the use & abuse of
state power. it is i
Carrol Cox wrote:
>
> Freedom of speech refers only to the use & abuse of
> state power. it is irrelevant in the present context.
Damn, and here was I hoping to drag Lenin into it somehow. You're right of course.
As ever.
Mark
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Racist Bilenkin & secterian Myers had no positive business here. The decision
was made in the interest off all. There is no reason to occupy ourselves with
dead horse topics. Let's move on, comrades!!!
co-moderator
Mine
Alexander Domrin wrote:
> I wonder why Svetlana is so upset because of B
> I wonder why Svetlana is so upset because of Bilenkin's expulsion only
> and not about expulsion of Myers.
A very interesting question. Ho-hum, I suppose we shall never know, know that Svyeta
has *gone*.
Mark
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