Re: [L-I] Re: DHKC London Information Bureau - Open Letter to European Left

2001-01-03 Thread A.Wosni
red-rebel schrieb: > I think what you write below really outlines the different definitions of > "fascism" used by Marxist-Leninists(Stalinists) and Trotskyists. > > A suppose a Trotskyist postion would be that fascism is based on a mass > movement of the petty-bourgoisie and the lumpen-proletaria

Re: [L-I] Re: DHKC London Information Bureau - Open Letter to European Left

2000-12-22 Thread Macdonald Stainsby
Comrades, I have been away for a few days and unable to keep up with my email (my computer was sick). I have been going through the best of my emails and came across this one, to which I replied (obviously). Now I see I have missed quite the blow up, one that needs to be put to sleep. I therefore

Re: [L-I] Re: DHKC London Information Bureau - Open Letter to European Left

2000-12-22 Thread Macdonald Stainsby
> > "The conditions for fascism are not present in Turkey in the year 2000"! > > Open your eyes Owen. > > > > James Tait. I am not sure what point you are making here, James. It isn't a fascist society in Turkey anymore than Canada or the US is fascist. But that word is simply a way to let the bl

Re: [L-I] Re: DHKC London Information Bureau - Open Letter to European Left

2000-12-20 Thread dhkcbureau
better things to do. DHKC London Information Bureau - Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [L-I] Re: DHKC London Information Bureau - Open Letter to European Left > I think what you write below really outlines the d

Re: [L-I] Re: DHKC London Information Bureau - Open Letter to European Left

2000-12-20 Thread red-rebel
I think what you write below really outlines the different definitions of "fascism" used by Marxist-Leninists(Stalinists) and Trotskyists. A suppose a Trotskyist postion would be that fascism is based on a mass movement of the petty-bourgoisie and the lumpen-proletariat in imperialist nations, wh

Re: [L-I] Re: DHKC London Information Bureau - Open Letter to European Left

2000-12-19 Thread A.Wosni
While it is understandable that you are carried away by your emotions, Cde. Tait, this is not a sufficient basis for an intervention in a debate on (Marxist or other) theory. You ought not criticize cde. Owen for what he does not mention unless it distorts the point he's trying to make.

Re: [L-I] Re: DHKC London Information Bureau - Open Letter to European Left

2000-12-19 Thread secr (MG!)
OK, I'm listening. What is then the exact short version definition of fascism ? I admit that I use the term in a non-marxist meaning, i.e. about the mentality deriving from an extremely suppressed and humiliated childhood, cf. Hitler, etc. Ole Owen Jones wrote: > Reply to secr (MG!), at [EM

Re: [L-I] Re: DHKC London Information Bureau - Open Letter to European Left

2000-12-19 Thread red-rebel
- Original Message - From: "Owen Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply to secr (MG!), at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 19/12/2000 > 5:23: > > > I think the explanation might be that it's felt hopeless to do anything > > about such ruthless fascist regime. > > The Turkish regime is

[L-I] Re: DHKC London Information Bureau - Open Letter to European Left

2000-12-19 Thread Owen Jones
Reply to secr (MG!), at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 19/12/2000 5:23: > I think the explanation might be that it's felt hopeless to do anything > about such ruthless fascist regime. The Turkish regime is certainly reactionary, yes. But by any real Marxist definition, it is not fascist (h