Re: Linux Leo on windows

2017-04-21 Thread john lunzer
Vocola's syntax is very straight forward and reminds me a bit of AutoHotKey, it looks like your'e already using the right tool for the job. I think what I would say is that if you ever felt like Vocola didn't have enough granularity you could probably combine AutoHotKey with Vocola to do someth

Re: Linux Leo on windows

2017-04-21 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 12:04:32 PM UTC-4, john lunzer wrote: > > Sorry there is such a gap in understanding. You're absolutely right, I > have no clue what the day to day of a disabled person using a computer > looks like. I think you've helped me understand a little bit, but this > "spe

Re: Linux Leo on windows

2017-04-21 Thread john lunzer
Sorry there is such a gap in understanding. You're absolutely right, I have no clue what the day to day of a disabled person using a computer looks like. I think you've helped me understand a little bit, but this "speech recognition interface" is still a nebulous concept, what software do you u

Re: Linux Leo on windows

2017-04-21 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 11:04:30 AM UTC-4, john lunzer wrote: > > Out of curiosity, and you can tell me to buzz off (I won't be offended, > because I know I will have offended you), what is your disability and to > what extent are you able to individually use your hands, feet, and eyes? >

Re: Linux Leo on windows

2017-04-21 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:55:29 AM UTC-4, john lunzer wrote: > > don't forget you simply need to do run the command: "conda install pyqt" > I eventually figured that out. ;-) Now I'm trying to figure out how to enable pyflakes. I have it installed and I thought I saw it was possible to r

Re: OT: Time for a Linux laptop

2017-04-21 Thread john lunzer
> > I'm not convinced they actually fixed anything. > Funny, I say the same thing every time I get my car back from the shop. On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 11:20:11 AM UTC-4, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 11:22:23 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > > Alas, I won't h

Re: Linux Leo on windows

2017-04-21 Thread john lunzer
Out of curiosity, and you can tell me to buzz off (I won't be offended, because I know I will have offended you), what is your disability and to what extent are you able to individually use your hands, feet, and eyes? I ask because I don't have any physical disabilities but I still think the hu

Re: Linux Leo on windows

2017-04-21 Thread john lunzer
don't forget you simply need to do run the command: "conda install pyqt" On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:51:54 AM UTC-4, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > > > > On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:45:26 AM UTC-4, john lunzer wrote: >> >> Unless your download was compromised or not downloaded from the officia

Re: Linux Leo on windows

2017-04-21 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:45:26 AM UTC-4, john lunzer wrote: > > Unless your download was compromised or not downloaded from the official > miniconda site I'm highly doubtful that the Continuum folks would have let > any exploits into their software. Make sure you're hitting the official

Re: Linux Leo on windows

2017-04-21 Thread john lunzer
Unless your download was compromised or not downloaded from the official miniconda site I'm highly doubtful that the Continuum folks would have let any exploits into their software. Make sure you're hitting the official site and if you must, do a checksum/MD5 <

Re: ENB: Curses prototype: phase 2 design and process

2017-04-21 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, john lunzer wrote: > Ahh, I'm sorry to have suggested urwid. I totally forgot about the Linux > only limitation. > ​Not a problem. Getting up to speed with winpdb/rpdb2 makes everything worthwhile. Edward -- You received this message because you are subscribe

Re: Linux Leo on windows

2017-04-21 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 4:17:24 PM UTC-4, john lunzer wrote: > > An easy way to get going on Windows is by installing anaconda. It will > install everything you need to run Leo from the anaconda command prompt. If > you're worried about how bloaty anaconda is you can install miniconda an

Re: Linux Leo on windows

2017-04-21 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 6:20:15 PM UTC-4, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > I don't understand what benefit there could be to running it non-natively. >> > > ​Neither do I. Leo runs extremely well on Windows. > This experiment was motivated by a couple things. First, I have broken remnants of

Re: ENB: Curses prototype: phase 2 design and process

2017-04-21 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 6:24:11 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: In short, urwid doesn't seem to work on Windows, but npyscreen runs > anywhere and can be debugged on Linux with rpdb2 and winpdb. I'd say this > is a good enough resolution to the problem of what curses widgets to use. > At

Re: ENB: Curses prototype: phase 2 design and process

2017-04-21 Thread john lunzer
Blasphemy! Haha, jk. I too probably would have recommended pycharm if I were going to go with anything "pro". As much as I try not to give commercial software kudos they've got a good piece of software. It's a shame the debugging experience on Windows isn't more fluid. I'm not sure how long I'd

Re: ENB: Curses prototype: phase 2 design and process

2017-04-21 Thread Kent Tenney
or https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/ On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Kent Tenney wrote: > It might be worth biting the bullet, buying a commercial IDE like > https://wingware.com/ > > > On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, john lunzer wrote: > >> Ahh, I'm sorry to have suggested urwid. I totally

Re: ENB: Curses prototype: phase 2 design and process

2017-04-21 Thread Kent Tenney
It might be worth biting the bullet, buying a commercial IDE like https://wingware.com/ On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, john lunzer wrote: > Ahh, I'm sorry to have suggested urwid. I totally forgot about the Linux > only limitation. > > > On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 7:24:11 AM UTC-4, Edward K

Re: Why I prefer Windows, for now

2017-04-21 Thread lewis
Hi all, Enjoy the sprint. Hope you all enjoy the 'thinking' time, and I Iook forward to hearing about directions and ideas :) Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it

Re: ENB: Curses prototype: phase 2 design and process

2017-04-21 Thread john lunzer
Ahh, I'm sorry to have suggested urwid. I totally forgot about the Linux only limitation. On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 7:24:11 AM UTC-4, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 5:56:29 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: >> >> >> Ok. Misleading 'help attach' and error message confuse

Re: ENB: Curses prototype: phase 2 design and process

2017-04-21 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 5:56:29 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > > Ok. Misleading 'help attach' and error message confused me for awhile. > Sorry, I mis-remembered what I had just done! In the second console, first do: password Then do: attach to get a list of pid's. Then do

Re: ENB: Curses prototype: phase 2 design and process

2017-04-21 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 5:47:56 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: This is pretty cool. I actually would prefer not to use the winpdb gui. > At present, I haven't figured out how I might use rpdb2 in the *second* > console. > Ok. Misleading 'help attach' and error message confused me for

Re: ENB: Curses prototype: phase 2 design and process

2017-04-21 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 4:19:43 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: So I would like to try urwid on Windows, but neither pudb nor winpdb seem > to work on Windows, due to problems with fctrl on Windows. > Alright. Some real progress. winpdb works well on Leo as follows: 1. In a console, do:

Re: ENB: Curses prototype: phase 2 design and process

2017-04-21 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 4:19:43 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: > For now, the way forward will be to duplicate the npyscreen code in urwid on Windows. The following code fails with both Python 2 and 3 on Windows: import urwid txt = urwid.Text(u"Hello World") fill = urwid.Fille

Re: ENB: Curses prototype: phase 2 design and process

2017-04-21 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 3:58:49 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: Yesterday was, mostly, a long digression into portability, installation and > debugging issues. Not fun. These diversions are a great way to kill > enthusiasm. > Importing urwid works in windows with 2/3. On Linux, urwid is i

Re: ENB: Curses prototype: phase 2 design and process

2017-04-21 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 6:38:33 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 6:21:05 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: >> >> >> Rev e1e4e48 completes part A using an npyscreen.NPSApp class and >> associated MultiLineEditableBoxed widget. It looks like npyscreen has wha

Re: ENB: Curses prototype: phase 2 design and process

2017-04-21 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 6:09:19 PM UTC-5, Terry Brown wrote: In linux at least there are plenty of ways of separating the trace > output from the screen output. Yes, I know that. On Linux, but not windows, the console is restored after curses exits, so any traces are available later,