Re: [liberationtech] Gmail and SSL

2013-01-03 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from Damian Menscher dam...@google.com - From: Damian Menscher dam...@google.com Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 21:14:31 -0800 To: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Cc: John Levine jo...@iecc.com, na...@nanog.org Subject: Re: Gmail and SSL On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:52 PM,

Re: [liberationtech] Gmail and SSL

2013-01-03 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from Maxim Khitrov m...@mxcrypt.com - From: Maxim Khitrov m...@mxcrypt.com Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:01:09 -0500 To: Damian Menscher dam...@google.com Cc: na...@nanog.org Subject: Re: Gmail and SSL On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Damian Menscher dam...@google.com

[liberationtech] Bay Area - Neighbors Online Workshop Jan 16, Digital Democracy Drinks Jan 15

2013-01-03 Thread Steven Clift
I would like to would like to invite you to an important gathering that mixes digital inclusion for diverse community voices, neighborhood and civic engagement, and open government. I will be in town briefly to lead the session. A similar gathering in Seattle was a big success with dozens of

[liberationtech] French ISP blocks all web based advertisement, by default.

2013-01-03 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Free ISP a French ISP with approx. 5M subs has blocked, by default, all web based advertisements being served to their fixed-line Internet subscribers. [1, 2] As a consumer, I would be very happy about it. As a Internet neutrality (whatever you

Re: [liberationtech] French ISP blocks all web based advertisement, by default.

2013-01-03 Thread Julien Rabier
Hello everybody, Just want to add some precisions : - Not all web based advertisements are blocked. Blocking is done with a blacklist of IP addresses. - It is done on the CPE level, not in the core network of Free. This story is quite shaking the french interwebs and i was like Bernard at

[liberationtech] online safety advice

2013-01-03 Thread Wayne Moore
In contrast to the recent Forbes article that was widely trashed here, this seems to be generally sound advice http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/2012/12/31/10-new-years-resolutions-to-browse-the-internet-safely-in-2013/ -- Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It

Re: [liberationtech] French ISP blocks all web based advertisement, by default.

2013-01-03 Thread Julien Rabier
Of course, for my first post on this awesome mailing list, I had to do such a silly mistake to invert opt-in and opt-out. To sum up : Acceptable with opt-out : No. Acceptable with passive opt-in : No. Acceptable with active opt-in : Yes. By the way, I take a moment to introduce myself : I'm

Re: [liberationtech] French ISP blocks all web based advertisement, by default.

2013-01-03 Thread Julien Rabier
Salut Bernard ;) According to the last news we got, it wouldn't be an IP blacklist but a solution based on dnsmasq (running on the CPE aka Freebox). We don't have any info on who is on the blacklist, but it's maintained by Free itself with little doubt. Oh sorry i wasn't clear ... Free's owner,

Re: [liberationtech] French ISP blocks all web based advertisement, by default.

2013-01-03 Thread André Rebentisch
Am 03.01.2013 19:30, schrieb Julien Rabier: My current state of mind is : - Is it an acceptable net neutrality violation if it's done on an opt-out basis ? Yes. The question is at which level it took place. Client-side filtering is generally no issue, including issue related to default

Re: [liberationtech] online safety advice

2013-01-03 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
Yeah, this seems like a better article =) NK On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Wayne Moore wmo...@stanford.edu wrote: In contrast to the recent Forbes article that was widely trashed here, this seems to be generally sound advice

[liberationtech] Technical Guidelines for Auditing LibTech Apps

2013-01-03 Thread Tom Ritter
Hi all, I'm working on a checklist/guidelines type document that aims to help technical folks new to the LibTech arena audit applications to identify weaknesses; and also help app developers look at the various ways their application, stack and service providing may be weak. It is not a every box

Re: [liberationtech] Draft checklist for choosing tools

2013-01-03 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 01:45:00AM -0500, bobal...@lavabit.com wrote: Comments and suggestions would be appreciated. Happy holidays! A suggested addition, perhaps not worded as succinctly as it could be: *Third-party Infrastructure* Some tools, perhaps nearly all tools, rely on third parties

Re: [liberationtech] New report on Internet Censorship and Surveillance in Turkmenistan

2013-01-03 Thread Eva Galperin
Thank you for sharing your report, Rafal. I read it with great interest. I see that you devoted about a third of this report to Internet surveillance in Turkmenistan, but you don't mention Gamma or Finfisher even once. The discovery that Gamma International's products were being used to spy on

Re: [liberationtech] Draft checklist for choosing tools

2013-01-03 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
I think that is a wonderful checklist! Perhaps also add: * Make sure tool has been audited and that the audit results have been published, * Take into consideration the accessibility of the tool to potential third parties that may need it. Sorry if any of the above points have already been

[liberationtech] Another CA Compromise: TurkTrust

2013-01-03 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
Another CA has been found issuing SSL certificates for Google services. Mozilla has acted on the issue: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/01/03/revoking-trust-in-two-turktrust-certficates/ The weird thing is that it's starting to appear less and less crazy to just get rid of the CA system

Re: [liberationtech] Another CA Compromise: TurkTrust

2013-01-03 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 03:09:41AM +0200, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: Another CA has been found issuing SSL certificates for Google services. Mozilla has acted on the issue: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/01/03/revoking-trust-in-two-turktrust-certficates/ The weird thing is that it's

Re: [liberationtech] Another CA Compromise: TurkTrust

2013-01-03 Thread Griffin Boyce
Honestly, a full and transparent audit of all CAs and vendors would be better. If every CA had to list which sites it had issued certificates for, a few dozen would probably shake out with fake certs for Google or Apple. I don't think Convergence is the solution, unfortunately. ~Griffin On

[liberationtech] Browser-based Tor proxies

2013-01-03 Thread Steve Weis
I noticed a Stanford project for setting up browser-based, ephemeral Tor proxies. In their words, the purpose of this project is to create many, generally ephemeral bridge IP addresses, with the goal of outpacing a censor's ability to block them. The core idea is that volunteers outside a

Re: [liberationtech] Another CA Compromise: TurkTrust

2013-01-03 Thread Ruben Bloemgarten
Nadim, I think its about time to have CA´s be peer accredited institutes (EFF/tor/access now/my brother´s sister´s cousin/ whoever) issuing free or at least at cost certs. That being said, I don´t think certs are very good at preventing mitm anyway, that might be the case if a majority of users

Re: [liberationtech] Another CA Compromise: TurkTrust

2013-01-03 Thread Collin Anderson
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ruben Bloemgarten ru...@abubble.nl wrote: you don´t know who I am, but only we know what we´re telling each other. So essentially you and Nadim are arguing that, since CAs fail some of the time, we should get rid of the whole system and end up in the same

Re: [liberationtech] Another CA Compromise: TurkTrust

2013-01-03 Thread Amin Sabeti
One point: Most of the Iranian banks have bought SSL certification from TurkTrust. Sent from my iPhone On 4 Jan 2013, at 01:41, Collin Anderson col...@averysmallbird.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ruben Bloemgarten ru...@abubble.nl wrote: you don´t know who I am, but only we

Re: [liberationtech] Browser-based Tor proxies

2013-01-03 Thread Daniel Colascione
On 1/3/13 5:25 PM, Steve Weis wrote: I noticed a Stanford project for setting up browser-based, ephemeral Tor proxies. In their words, the purpose of this project is to create many, generally ephemeral bridge IP addresses, with the goal of outpacing a censor's ability to block them. I'm

Re: [liberationtech] Another CA Compromise: TurkTrust

2013-01-03 Thread Ruben Bloemgarten
On 01/04/2013 02:41 AM, Collin Anderson wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ruben Bloemgarten ru...@abubble.nl mailto:ru...@abubble.nl wrote: you don´t know who I am, but only we know what we´re telling each other. So essentially you and Nadim are arguing that, since CAs fail

Re: [liberationtech] Browser-based Tor proxies

2013-01-03 Thread Gregory Foster
Here's a perspective on the project and its current challenges from Jacob Appelbaum and Roger Dingledine's Tor ecosystem talk at 29C3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnbc_9JnVtcfeature=youtu.bet=1h8s gf On 1/3/13 7:25 PM, Steve Weis wrote: I noticed a Stanford project for setting up

Re: [liberationtech] Browser-based Tor proxies

2013-01-03 Thread Steve Weis
Yes, the system is vulnerable to client enumeration if there are few facilitators and proxies. If there are many facilitators and proxies, then the adversary needs to discover facilitators, constantly poll them, and compete with legitimate proxies to learn client IPs. They won't discover every

Re: [liberationtech] Draft checklist for choosing tools

2013-01-03 Thread bobalice
Thank you all for the suggestions and comments. Revisions and additions will be made with appropriate attribution. With reference to the applicability of a checklist, are there any free/accessible and discreet services that assist with tool selection? That's a useful checklist, thanks. Are

[liberationtech] Google Bows Down To Chinese Government On Censorship

2013-01-03 Thread Martin Johnson
Sometime between December 5 and December 8 last year, Google made a surprising decision that hasn’t yet been reported. They decided to remove a feature which had previously informed users from China of censored keywords. At the same time, they deleted the help article which explained how to use