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No, it's not their own fault.
But you cannot force people (using aggression) to help poor people. But you can
ask them to do it and explain them why voluntary supporting poor people is
really important.
Solidarity has to be voluntary, otherwise i
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Yosem Companys wrote:
> While I (and probably others) find the discussion on this thread
> interesting, it appears to lack the necessary technology component to be
> deemed liberationtech.
I am not sure the situation is that simple. I believe (this is a long
thread
The personal (computer) is political :)
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On 11/5/12 1:21 PM, Yosem Companys wrote:
> They go hand in hand. Can't have philosophy without practices... ;)
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Dmytri Kleiner wrote:
>> Hey Yosem, pretty sure the t
They go hand in hand. Can't have philosophy without practices... ;)
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Dmytri Kleiner wrote:
> Hey Yosem, pretty sure the thread has run its course at this point. But in
> any case we can't get the tech part right if we don't get the liberation
> part right.
>
> The
Hey Yosem, pretty sure the thread has run its course at this point. But in any
case we can't get the tech part right if we don't get the liberation part
right.
The user stories for liberation tech must certainly derive from visions of
liberation, or?
Especially when the tech in question is e
Just a little nudge to get folks back on the liberationtech discussion.
While I (and probably others) find the discussion on this thread
interesting, it appears to lack the necessary technology component to be
deemed liberationtech.
Thanks all,
Yosem
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:15 AM, André Rebent
Am 05.11.2012 11:19, schrieb Jacob Appelbaum:
> It isn't a straw man. Free trade is a nonsense phrase - free? Free for
> you? For me? Unencumbered by state taxes as it crosses a border? How
> does that trade happen? When I create something of value - have I done
> it in a vacuum?
"Free trade" rela
On 05.11.2012 11:19, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
until people have an alternative, people will not choose to starve.
Thanks Jake! That sums it it perfectly.
Thanks to Maxim and Gregory for their contributions as well.
Best,
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On 05.11.2012 06:23, StealthMonger wrote:
True, except that those functions are mostly not socially necessary.
This is well know to be false, and ridiculous. You yourself, could
probably not survive without the benefits provided by the state. I don't
mean you can't imagine yourself surviving
StealthMonger:
> Dmytri Kleiner writes:
>
>> We can not eliminate the State-based tax system by evading it, only
>> by replacing the socially necessary functions it performs with
>> actually-existing non-state forms, an unwillingness to understand
>> and come to terms with this is what makes so m
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Dmytri Kleiner writes:
> We can not eliminate the State-based tax system by evading it, only
> by replacing the socially necessary functions it performs with
> actually-existing non-state forms, an unwillingness to understand
> and come to terms with
On 04.11.2012 00:53, StealthMonger wrote:
Bitcoin prevents inflation and helps tax evation [sic] (the system
itself is hard to regulate) [3]
Bitcoin is not unique at being useful for tax evasion, in fact it's not
even popular among large scale tax evaders, who have better means. In
an
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Gregory Maxwell writes:
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:51 PM, StealthMonger
> wrote:
>> Yes, Bitcoin liberates trade from "public" extortion ("taxation").
> It does no such thing.
Not true. Look at the sources:
... Bitcoin can be considered to b
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:51 PM, StealthMonger
wrote:
> Yes, Bitcoin liberates trade from "public" extortion ("taxation").
It does no such thing. Under US law, for example, Barter in Bitcoins
is just as taxable as bartering with coal or cows and share many
similar properties (also with cash). Ad
..on Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 06:03:24PM +0200, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Julian Oliver wrote:
> > Relatedly, I met a young woman in Abu Dhabi who said to me in a mall "You
> > Westerners look around and see all these girls in full burkas and think
> > they are
> > trapp
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Julian Oliver wrote:
> Relatedly, I met a young woman in Abu Dhabi who said to me in a mall "You
> Westerners look around and see all these girls in full burkas and think they
> are
> trapped, oppressed under Islam. In fact they are only wearing full burkas here
>
On 02.11.2012 14:19, StealthMonger wrote:
My main quarrel would be that when he writes of doing things "as a
society" he probably means single decisions applied to all and
imposed
on dissidents by force.
Yes, sometimes single decisions are needed. Such as the descision
that poluting the r
..on Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 04:59:15AM +, dan jones wrote:
>
> If I may elucidate this thought by cut and pasting the words of David
> Foster-Wallace, personal liberty is...
>
> "The freedom all to be lords of our tiny skull-sized kingdoms, alone at
> the center of all creation. This kind of fr
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Jacob Appelbaum writes:
> Care to address the externalities on our all of our lives that others,
> such as you, impose by their mere existence?
Maybe that can mostly be brought within the scope of "Relations among
individuals should be by mutual con
On 01.11.2012 21:04, StealthMonger wrote:
Dmytri Kleiner writes:
So you believe that we should provide nothing as a society ...
I certainly don't.
You are free to delegate your authority to your comrades in matters
such as your own health care or the education of your own children.
Just
On 01.11.2012 21:04, StealthMonger wrote:
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Dmytri Kleiner writes:
So you believe that we should provide nothing as a society ...
I certainly don't.
You are free to delegate your authority to your comrades in matters
such as your own health car
Jacob Appelbaum:
> StealthMonger:
>> Dmytri Kleiner writes:
>>
>>> So you believe that we should provide nothing as a society ...
>>
>>> I certainly don't.
>>
>> You are free to delegate your authority to your comrades in matters
>> such as your own health care or the education of your own childre
Jumping into the fray...
On 12-11-01 02:05 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
>
> Liberty requires acknowledging that other people exist and that we
> aren't individual islands.
>
> Care to address the externalities on our all of our lives that others,
> such as you, impose by their mere existence?
I ful
StealthMonger:
> Dmytri Kleiner writes:
>
>> So you believe that we should provide nothing as a society ...
>
>> I certainly don't.
>
> You are free to delegate your authority to your comrades in matters
> such as your own health care or the education of your own children.
> Just don't presume
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Dmytri Kleiner writes:
> So you believe that we should provide nothing as a society ...
> I certainly don't.
You are free to delegate your authority to your comrades in matters
such as your own health care or the education of your own children.
Jus
On 31.10.2012 02:51, StealthMonger wrote:
... for example, [money] can be used to pay taxes.
Taxation is a threat against which a liberated individual has to
defend itself.
So you believe that we should provide nothing as a society, on behalf
of all, that their should be no public goods, and
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Dmytri Kleiner writes:
> ... for example, [money] can be used to pay taxes.
Taxation is a threat against which a liberated individual has to
defend itself.
> ... the State is clearly unsatisfactory for modern publics as a
> result of the fact that
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:10:22PM +0100, d...@telekommunisten.net wrote 7.5K
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: Does Bitcoin have the potential to replace Government fiat money?
I assume you've seen
http://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/other/virtualcurrencyschemes201210en.pdf
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> -Original Message- From: Bill Woodcock Date:
> Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:42:51 To:
> Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Bitcoin and The Public Function of
> Money
>
>
>
> On Oct 30, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Dmytri K
May be a bit different and interesting Bitcoin and government presentation:
http://shadowlife.cc/files/btcotc.pdf
It was one of the most shocking presentation I saw at the Bitcoin conference
2012 in London.
Pavol
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:10:22PM +0100, Dmytri Kleiner wrote:
>
> I want to wri
2012 18:42:51
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Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Bitcoin and The Public Function of Money
On Oct 30, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Dmytri Kleiner wrote:
> The critical feature required of public money is that we can socially
> determine how much of it there is, and how much of we want to apply to p
On Oct 30, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Dmytri Kleiner wrote:
> The critical feature required of public money is that we can socially
> determine how much of it there is, and how much of we want to apply to public
> purpose. We need ways to create and destroy public money so that we can can
> have a coun
I want to write a bit about the public function of money, especially as
compared to the market function of money, in light of some of the recent
discussion about Bitcoin.
Bitcoin is already a very useful technology due to the fact that it
allows transactions to take place without any central
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