Re: [liberationtech] Decoupling from current power structures

2013-06-19 Thread phryk
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:08:34 -0400 Sebastian Benthall wrote: > Taking that as a model, maybe rather the right way to think about it > is: how to build an alternative distributed economy for food and > shelter that is not tied to centralized power structures. That actually sounds a lot like what

Re: [liberationtech] Decoupling from current power structures

2013-06-18 Thread Sebastian Benthall
I recommend reading Fred Turner's *From Counterculture to Cyberculture* for interesting context on the ideological connection between sustainable independent communities and tech culture. Long story short, in the 70's the Whole Earth Catalog connected back-to-land communes with recent tech researc

Re: [liberationtech] Decoupling from current power structures

2013-06-18 Thread phryk
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:40:23 -0400 Bruce Potter at IRF wrote: > in a nation of 300 million, and a global system heading for 10 > billion, I don't see it. I didn't mean decoupling everybody at once. I am talking about loosening our dependance on them by introducing systems by the people for the p

Re: [liberationtech] Decoupling from current power structures

2013-06-18 Thread phryk
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:40:23 -0400 Bruce Potter at IRF wrote: > in a nation of 300 million, and a global system heading for 10 > billion, I don't see it. I didn't mean decoupling everybody at once. I am talking about loosening our dependance on them by introducing systems by the people for the p

[liberationtech] Decoupling from current power structures

2013-06-18 Thread phryk
I am pretty sure that I am not the only one thinking that we (colloquially known as "we, the people") need to make ourselves independent from current power structures ie. governments and corporations. Even if you are not an anarchist or similiar you will have to acknowledge that a centralized gove

Re: [liberationtech] Decoupling from current power structures

2013-06-18 Thread Bruce Potter at IRF
Decoupling might have been a feasible option in Thomas Jefferson's time (although they DID create the UNITED States after experimenting with the more decoupled "Articles of Confederation), but somehow in a nation of 300 million, and a global system heading for 10 billion, I don't see it. At lea

[liberationtech] Decoupling from current power structures

2013-06-18 Thread phryk
I am pretty sure that I am not the only one thinking that we (colloquially known as "we, the people") need to make ourselves independent from current power structures ie. governments and corporations. Even if you are not an anarchist or similiar you will have to acknowledge that a centralized gove