[liberationtech] E-Voting

Hi, Are there any countries that have implemented a form of mobile voting? Is there any research on the potential, challenges and applicability of mobile voting? Considering the explosive growth of mobile phones across Africa, would the use of mobile phones for elections (citizens voting through m

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

On 2016.11.15 02.57, Zacharia Gichiriri wrote: > Hi, > > Are there any countries that have implemented a form of mobile voting? > Is there any research on the potential, challenges and applicability of > mobile voting? > Considering the explosive growth of mobile phones across Africa, would > th

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 04:18:59PM +1300, Eleanor Saitta wrote: > Yes, there has been research done. The summary is "if you do this, > forget about any chance of having a free and fair election, because it's > hard not to end up accidentally hacking the election, let alone stopping > anyone who mi

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

Hi Zack, Estonia has been using e-voting since 2005 (and since 2007 for government elections). You can identify using the national id card (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_ID_card ) or mobile-id (https://eid.eesti.ee/index.php/A_Short_Intr

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

Hi Andres, On 11/17/2016 09:01 AM, Andres wrote: > Transparency is certainly improved. You can check and change your vote > after casting it. Estonian government even provides an iOS and Android > mobile application for this. Oh ho, within your own world it looks like you gave your vote. That doe

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

Mobile voting in Africa is impractical. Even as an option, If people would start to lose their phones around the election period, the recovery effort involved in ensuring the service is available and the consequences thereafter, would be a potential legal and customer service nightmare. On Mon, N

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

I would agree. Also consider the numerous cases of intentional network disruptions on the continent during voting over the past year. It is predictable that this would become a tool of voter suppression. Oddly, though, mobile devices have been essential tools in monitoring voting and mobilizing vo

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

>> Transparency is certainly improved. You can check and change your vote >> after casting it. Estonian government even provides an iOS and Android >> mobile application for this. > > Oh ho, within your own world it looks like you gave your vote. That does > not prove a single thing. Even just po

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

That's similar to what some people are saying about blockchain applications to voting. Don't use it for the voting itself, even in a zero-knowlege way, as votes need to be both auditable and understandable to lay people to be trusted. But, you could use it for voter registration and for sum

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 06:02:36PM +0200, Andres wrote: > Could Intel and AMD team up and hide a backdoor on the vote counting > server's CPU? It certainly is in the realm of possibilities. However, > it's extremely cost prohibitive, risky and as a result unlikely. It's not cost-prohibitive for so

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

Rich, the article you link to talks about the risk of one individual voting machine being tampered with. That's not a concern with the Estonian system. The polling stations still run on ink and paper. When voting online you can use any hardware (PC, Mac, Linux, iPhone or Android phone, public or

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 02:26:49PM -0500, Andres wrote: > Rich, the article you link to talks about the risk of one individual voting > machine being tampered with. I think you missed the point Schneier was making. It's NOT about one individual voting machine, it's about attacker budgets. Look

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

With all these discussions too often vote selling is overlooked. If I can vote from an insecure location, I can vote in front of someone paying me $100 to vote as they want. On 12/07/2016 09:24 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 02:26:49PM -0500, Andres wrote: >> Rich, the article

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

Hi All, In Africa, only a few countries can claim to have conducted free and fair elections. Majority of elected representatives in Africa want to cling to power forever against the will of their citizens or some of their citizens. To add salt to the injury, all dictators in Africa have a poor rec

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

On 12/10/2016 04:39 AM, Zacharia Gichiriri wrote: > Hi All, Hiya, I'll start off with my POV on e-voting: e-voting, whether this is Estonia-type to vote from home (which is what I think this thread is really talking about) or USA-type where you use a computer in the voting booth, is a dumb idea!

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 12:39:39PM +0300, Zacharia Gichiriri wrote: > I think the subject of the discussion should be: How can we make e-voting > more secure and credible? Answer: don't use it. Period, full stop, end of discussion. Any suggestion that e-voting can be made secure is delusional. S

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

Spot on Thomas. I find such disparaging remarks on Africa rather short-sighted and downright cynical. Au contraire, I would like to draw your attention to the just concluded KCPE examinations in Kenya, they were marked and results announced in record time - this proved that the use of OMR technol

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

Hi All, Thank you very much your arguments. I agree with all your arguments. I still believe e-voting could substantially improve election outcomes and because existing e-voting systems like the one in Estonia do not meet different expectations, it does not entirely disqualify the idea of e-votin

Re: [liberationtech] E-Voting

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 10:08:18PM +0300, Zacharia Gichiriri wrote: > I still believe e-voting could substantially improve election outcomes [...] You may, of course, believe whatever you wish. But you are completely wrong on this point: e-voting is a disaster for election outcomes. I suggest tha