[liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-14 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
Hey Libtech, Hot on the heels of last week's Bitcoin wallet for Android heist, Google has confirmed that this was due to a critical crypto flaw in Android, which could affect security in thousands of apps according to Ars Technica: "Google developers have confirmed a cryptographic vulnerability

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-14 Thread Nathan of Guardian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/15/2013 12:07 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > Hot on the heels of last week's Bitcoin wallet for Android heist, > Google has confirmed that this was due to a critical crypto flaw in > Android, which could affect security in thousands of apps accordin

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-08-15, at 6:14 AM, Nathan of Guardian wrote: > Signed PGP part > On 08/15/2013 12:07 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > > Hot on the heels of last week's Bitcoin wallet for Android heist, > > Google has confirmed that this was due to a critical crypto flaw in > > Android, which could affect se

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Il 8/15/13 6:07 AM, Nadim Kobeissi ha scritto: > Hey Libtech, > Hot on the heels of last week's Bitcoin wallet for Android heist, > Google has confirmed that this was due to a critical crypto flaw in > Android All Mobile Security Applications should not rely on standard RNG of the OS but fetch pre

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Nathan of Guardian wrote: > The only silver lining from their post was that HTTP/SSL connections > were not affected, so this only really affects apps that are > generating keys at the Java layer, which include apps like Android > Privacy Guard (APG) and our own Gi

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > Cryptocat had its own RNG fiasco recently as well, which was documented in > this excellent blog post by Sophos Labs: > http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/07/09/anatomy-of-a-pseudorandom-number-generator-visualising-cryptocats-buggy-prng

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Nathan of Guardian
On 08/15/2013 06:24 AM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > All Mobile Security Applications should not rely on standard RNG of the > OS but fetch precious and better source of randomness available on those > devices: > - Microphone Audio Sample > > On a commercial product i worked on in past the RN

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Nathan of Guardian
On 08/15/2013 06:29 AM, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > I have a hard time trying to figure out from Alex Klyubin's blog post > [1] just what the problem in affected Android class libraries was. Did > they forget to include a urandom-backed SecureRandom provider? Or set > it as one with highest priority? O

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Nathan of Guardian wrote: > The best description is here: > http://armoredbarista.blogspot.ch/2013/03/randomly-failed-weaknesses-in-java.html Unbelievable… It seems that PRNG implementers suffer from NIH syndrome. If you are going to use /dev/urandom, then use it

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 03:38:56PM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Nathan of Guardian > wrote: > > The best description is here: > > http://armoredbarista.blogspot.ch/2013/03/randomly-failed-weaknesses-in-java.html > > Unbelievable… It seems that PRNG implementer

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Doug Chamberlin
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > "...and rely on code that's reviewed and maintained by thousands of > kernel people..." > Are you really saying THOUSANDS have reviewed and maintain the RNG? For real? -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Go

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Doug Chamberlin wrote: > Are you really saying THOUSANDS have reviewed and maintain the RNG? For > real? You are right — I didn't take the possibility of useless tongue-in-cheek remarks into account when using that expression in order to support a technical argume

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Steve Weis
$ git log --pretty=format:"%an" drivers/char/random.c | sort | uniq | wc The number of committers to random.c is 41. You missed having a lame joke by just one committer. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Doug Chamberlin > wrote: > > Ar

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Doug Chamberlin
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Doug Chamberlin > wrote: > > Are you really saying THOUSANDS have reviewed and maintain the RNG? For > > real? > > You are right — I didn't take the possibility of useless > tongue-in-cheek remarks into acc

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Steve Weis wrote: > $ git log --pretty=format:"%an" drivers/char/random.c | sort | uniq | wc Guys, I assumed you knew that kernel history was reset a few times. If you want to approach it thoroughly, you start with all names at [1] since 2010. Then, download the .

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Nathan of Guardian
Maxim Kammerer wrote: >In any case, I find this bikeshedding of side remarks pretty annoying, >it is quite pointless. Well, I see it as practical proof of the value of open-source, the need to avoid reinventing the crypto wheel, and that no amount of money buys you perfect code. Only time, co

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Doug Chamberlin
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Nathan of Guardian < nat...@guardianproject.info> wrote: > > > Maxim Kammerer wrote: > >In any case, I find this bikeshedding of side remarks pretty annoying, > >it is quite pointless. > > Well, I see it as practical proof of the value of open-source, the need to

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-20 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Nathan of Guardian > wrote: >> The best description is here: >> http://armoredbarista.blogspot.ch/2013/03/randomly-failed-weaknesses-in-java.html > > Unbelievable… It seems that PRNG implementers suffer from