Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eleanor Saitta: > On 2013.06.29 12.37, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> Eleanor Saitta: >>> None of those tools exist right now, not for locational privacy >>> and metadata obfuscation. > >> I disagree about the existence. Perhaps, I think we might be able >> to agree on certain values of 'unusable' rath

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-29 Thread Eleanor Saitta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.29 12.37, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > Eleanor Saitta: >> None of those tools exist right now, not for locational privacy >> and metadata obfuscation. > > I disagree about the existence. Perhaps, I think we might be able > to agree on certain

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eleanor Saitta: > On 2013.06.29 10.27, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: >> It's not a simplistic choice between using modern devices and being >> a Luddite. It's about people having a better understanding about >> what the threats are, digesting that information (unfortunately, >> slowly) and then using too

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-29 Thread Eleanor Saitta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.29 10.27, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > It's not a simplistic choice between using modern devices and being > a Luddite. It's about people having a better understanding about > what the threats are, digesting that information (unfortunately, >

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-29 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 06/29/2013 01:07 AM, Eleanor Saitta wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.28 21.02, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: That's anecdotal evidence. The vast majority of the smartphone userbase just learned the word "meta-data" a few weeks ago. The news about the scope of NSA

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-28 Thread Eleanor Saitta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.28 21.02, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > That's anecdotal evidence. > > The vast majority of the smartphone userbase just learned the word > "meta-data" a few weeks ago. The news about the scope of NSA > surveillance is revelatory to non-speci

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 06/28/2013 12:28 PM, Eleanor Saitta wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.28 04.21, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 04:56:24PM +0100, Michael Rogers wrote: I agree - "no smartphones" is sound advice. "No phones" is even better. But the problem is, no

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-28 Thread Guido Witmond
> > I think the key is that it's time to *also* support the "average" > user. We can't stop working to create systems that are as secure as > possible for the people who are directly targeted and whose lives are > at risk -- but we also cannot only support that very motivated individual. > > If

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-28 Thread Jon Camfield
On Friday, June 28, 2013 12:28 PM, Eleanor Saitta wrote: > On 2013.06.28 04.21, Rich Kulawiec wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 04:56:24PM +0100, Michael Rogers wrote: >>> I agree - "no smartphones" is sound advice. "No phones" is >>> even better. But the problem is, nobody follows that advice. So

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-28 Thread Eleanor Saitta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.28 04.21, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 04:56:24PM +0100, Michael Rogers wrote: >> I agree - "no smartphones" is sound advice. "No phones" is even >> better. But the problem is, nobody follows that advice. So we >> have t

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-28 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 04:56:24PM +0100, Michael Rogers wrote: > I agree - "no smartphones" is sound advice. "No phones" is even > better. But the problem is, nobody follows that advice. So we have to > be pragmatic. [snip insightful comments] I would like to agree with you -- and in part, I do.

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-21 Thread Guido Witmond
On 21-06-13 17:56, Michael Rogers wrote: > On 17/06/13 14:12, Rich Kulawiec wrote: >> One more generic comment/observation: clearly, Usenet or a >> Usenet-ish mechanism will run on a smartphone. But I'm not sure >> that's a good idea. Given the existence of things like CarrierIQ, >> the propensit

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-21 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17/06/13 14:12, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > One more generic comment/observation: clearly, Usenet or a > Usenet-ish mechanism will run on a smartphone. But I'm not sure > that's a good idea. Given the existence of things like CarrierIQ, > the propensit

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-17 Thread Noon Silk
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > Thanks for the comments, and for the pointers to Eternity and Briar. > It would appear that I have rather a lot of reading to do. ;-) > > One more generic comment/observation: clearly, Usenet or a Usenet-ish > mechanism will run on a smart

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-17 Thread Rich Kulawiec
Thanks for the comments, and for the pointers to Eternity and Briar. It would appear that I have rather a lot of reading to do. ;-) One more generic comment/observation: clearly, Usenet or a Usenet-ish mechanism will run on a smartphone. But I'm not sure that's a good idea. Given the existence

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-17 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 15/06/13 00:53, Guido Witmond wrote: Encrypting everything should stop article spoofing. (Although it doesn't stop article flooding, and an adversary could try to overwhelm the network by injecting large amounts of traffic. Depre

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-14 Thread Guido Witmond
On 14-06-13 21:22, Adam Back wrote: Kind of old now (1997) but take a look at USENET eternity for a distributed censor resistant web publishing system based on USENET, PGP and hashes/committments. The documents could either by public, semi-private (secret URLs) or secured. Content updateble only

[liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-14 Thread Adam Back
Kind of old now (1997) but take a look at USENET eternity for a distributed censor resistant web publishing system based on USENET, PGP and hashes/committments. The documents could either by public, semi-private (secret URLs) or secured. Content updateble only by the author using PGP, and yet br