Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Inibo E. Exibo
I'm not an AnCap myself, at least not yet, but it certainly seems to be you are equating lack of a state with lack of law. I'll leave it to the philosophers among us to go into detail, but it certainly doesn't seem to me that the one flows from the other. Would you as an individual stand by

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 29 July 2008, Inibo E. Exibo was heard to say: I'm not an AnCap myself, at least not yet, but it certainly seems to be you are equating lack of a state with lack of law. Indeed, many people subscribe to the Hobbsian war of all against

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Inibo E. Exibo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not an AnCap myself, at least not yet, but it certainly seems to be you are equating lack of a state with lack of law. I'll leave it to the philosophers among us to go into detail, but it certainly

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Curt Howland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you as an individual stand by and let someone be murdered if you were able to stop it? If not, why do you think a society of free people would? Exactly. Tanzanians wouldn't. They are standing

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Lee Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your VERY FIRST COMMENT in this discussion thread was: Here's another example of what would happen in an AnarchoCapitalist paradise And I stand by that. It ***WOULD*** happen in an AnarchoCapitalist

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Dennis Lee Wilson
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Zack Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Lee Wilson dennisleewilson@ wrote: Your VERY FIRST COMMENT in this discussion thread was: Here's another example of what would happen in an

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Lee Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is NOT an example of what ***WOULD*** happen in an AnarchoCapitalist paradise because an AnCap paradise ***would have armed citizens who could defend themselves*** and others (if they so chose). But

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Lee Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is NOT an example of what ***WOULD*** happen in an AnarchoCapitalist paradise because an AnCap paradise ***would have armed citizens who could defend themselves*** and others (if they so chose).

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Dennis Lee Wilson
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Zack Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Lee Wilson dennisleewilson@ wrote: It is NOT an example of what ***WOULD*** happen in an AnarchoCapitalist paradise because an AnCap paradise ***would

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Inibo E. Exibo
Curt Howland wrote: I'm not trying to convert you to an-cap, don't worry. I think you will find Roderick Long's Answers to 10 objections to anarchy to be interesting in this context: http://mises.org/mp3/MU2004/Long2.mp3 http://mises.org/mp3/MU2004/Long2.mp3 And Wouldn't The Warlords

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread wdg3rd
From: Zack Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Lee Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is NOT an example of what ***WOULD*** happen in an AnarchoCapitalist paradise because an AnCap paradise ***would have armed citizens who could defend

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Statistics to date are that defense is a much better deterant than retribution. The very _possibility_ of defense is a better deterrant than retribution. Nope! Defense PLUS Retribution is a great deterrent. No one

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Crime is little deterred by victim defense???

2008-07-29 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Robert D. Silvetz, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Retribution undoubtedly has a deterrent effect. But having non-victims capable AND willing to defend themselves makes being a criminal quite dangerous Amen. But there are many situations

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Robert D. Silvetz, M.D.
And in 2nd Am territory, two other Walmart employess draw their weapon and shoot the SOB dead. The very scenario you describe occured in Texas where a criminal thought he could take down a waitress. The owner saw what was happening and drew a shotgun on the perp. Of the five patrons, two

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Robert D. Silvetz, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a criminal thought he could take down a waitress. The owner saw what was happening and drew a shotgun on the perp. Of the five patrons, two were carrying and drew their weapon the perp. The

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Robert D. Silvetz, M.D.
But Retribution doesn't prevent many of those now... the deterrent effect is not particularly great for the line items below. - Original Message - From: Zack Bass To: LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:26 PM Subject:

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Zack Bass
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Robert D. Silvetz, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After a fair number get lead poisonings, attempting to hold people up except under the most advantageous conditions, is just a losing -- and deadly -- proposition. You guys have a very limited

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Crime is little deterred by victim defense???

2008-07-29 Thread Dennis Lee Wilson
--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Zack Bass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Kennesaw, crime has been deterred MORE by the addition of Defense to Retribution. Get rid of Retribution for a week and we'll talk. No we won't. Even *I* have limits.

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Robert D. Silvetz, M.D.
You are simply dense Zack. Nobody here, (at least within the thread on my emails here) is arguing against retribution. Just that it is insufficient on its face. So peace. Goto bed. - Original Message - From: Zack Bass To: LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com Sent:

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Zack Bass
Retribution works to some extent to deter those items, whereas Self-Defense DOES NOT WORK AT ALL to deter those items. --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Robert D. Silvetz, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Retribution doesn't prevent many of those now... the deterrent effect is

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Robert D. Silvetz, M.D.
Let me make it explicit and then I'm outta here: What they have stated (several times) is that retribution is not primary. Self-defense is. Once self-defense, full armed self-defense, is operative it is dangerous to be a criminal. Period. End of story. That's reality AS IT IS. Which

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania

2008-07-29 Thread Robert D. Silvetz, M.D.
OF COURSE IT IS. THAT'S WHY THE OTHERS HAVE WEAPONS Bye bye. - Original Message - From: Zack Bass To: LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: Albinos uninsurable in Tanzania --- In