Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-13 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Norbert, Norbert Thiebaud wrote (13-09-11 23:48) On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Thus the solution is: earlier feature freeze. I disagree that this is _the_ solution. we could feature freeze today... and that would not change a things unless QA is actually done... and r

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-13 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: > > Thus the solution is: earlier feature freeze. I disagree that this is _the_ solution. we could feature freeze today... and that would not change a things unless QA is actually done... and reciprocally, there is no need for a feature freeze to

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-13 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Caolán, Caolán McNamara wrote (13-09-11 12:30) On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 08:26 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Hope I have made my concerns a bit more clear now. Not really, I'm probably in the same boat as Kohei and somewhat confused Ah good to read. Real devs never are good in understanding my mor

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-13 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 08:26 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: > Hope I have made my concerns a bit more clear now. Not really, I'm probably in the same boat as Kohei and somewhat confused by the whole thread. Maybe we need *shorter* emails that don't try to be polite ;-) Problem at the top, proposed solutio

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-12 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Kohei, To start with your last remark ( "I'm very very confused. "): I do not want you guys to stop improving code, change thing for the better etc. On the contrary: I do applaud it. I know that you are aware of the risks of the necessary changes and do all that is reasonable to avoid it. I

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-12 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 00:23 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: > > + always a trade-off between quality, community fun, > > pace of development (Michael) > >No real argument. I am more interested in the question: do we want >avoid another 3.4-style release? So, our memory

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-12 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi, from Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ... Michael Meeks wrote (08-09-11 17:28) + not too late to discuss at the conference and move freeze dates by a week or two (Norbert) If it is true that ... none of the devs have working of featur

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-12 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi, [Please *first read my next mail* on this list !] Let me also reply on the minutes of tech. steering call: from Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ... Michael Meeks wrote (08-09-11 17:28) + Cor's considerations on release timing Better: time available between Be

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-08 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Sophie, Sophie Gautier wrote (08-09-11 22:38) We need to change the way we involve the native-lang communities in our testing process. They are currently a bit lost by the quick turn over of the versions, [...] Indeed, that is an extra load for the testers/ native-lang community members.

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-08 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi Cor, all, I jump to the point I would like to discuss: [...] > - development in the quality and the use of tools for testing > > - is attention in testing well spread over Windows / Linux / MacOS ? > > - are there other releases/tasks that need attention during that time ? > > - how many peopl

[Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-06 Thread Cor Nouws
[resend of my post from 2011-09-04, 20:38 UTC with one little change] Hi *, Some time ago there was a discussion about the release for 3.5. The sub-optimal situation with the release of 3.4.0, was food for the discussion on the 3.5 release. Quite a lengthy and interesting discussion at that

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-05 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Kohei, Kohei Yoshida wrote (05-09-11 02:50) On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: - How much time can one annoying bug ask? Two day, two weeks? e.g. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40466#c10 Hmm... I don't see the relevance of my comment in the bug to what you

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-05 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Hi, for testers it might be really nice to release alpha/beta tarballs during early stages of development cycle. This would allow at least me to add it for testing into Gentoo and I think quite few people would test it that way. I provide even live ebuild that compiles from the git, but I think th

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-04 Thread Kohei Yoshida
Cor, On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: > - How much time can one annoying bug ask? Two day, two weeks? >  e.g. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40466#c10 Hmm... I don't see the relevance of my comment in the bug to what you are stating here. What do you mean by your

[Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-04 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi *, Some time ago there was a discussion about the release for 3.5. The sub-optimal situation with the release of 3.4.0, was food for the discussion on the 3.5 release. Quite a lengthy and interesting discussion at that time (1) I promised to get back on this issue. Goal: take a clear look