Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-12 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Wol, *, Wols Lists schrieb: > On 10/12/10 21:18, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: [.. who misses useless UI features ..] >> Again: see above. ("You told me to click the exclamation mark - >> where should I click now?"). > Unfortunately, this then plays havoc with the next bunch of users - > who

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-10 Thread Wols Lists
On 10/12/10 21:18, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: >> All I am going to add is: "which user prefers single-clicks for some >> > status bar items and double-clicks on others, while some are not >> > clickable at all?". > One who has been told / has learned to do so and doesn't bother on any > theory of

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-10 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Sebastian, *, Sebastian Spaeth schrieb: > On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 22:59:37 +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: >> What You as an individual do use or don't *must not* be a criterium >> for UI and feature changes. Even and especially not because You are >> a software developer! > Hi Friedrich, >

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-09 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 22:59:37 +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: > What You as an individual do use or don't *must not* be a criterium > for UI and feature changes. Even and especially not because You are a > software developer! Hi Friedrich, this thread already became bigger than I ever intended

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-09 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Sebastian, *, Sorry for late answer - I'm scanning the dev list occasionally only.. Sebastian Spaeth schrieb: >Am I the only one finding the current status bar pretty much useless? Shure not, but that is not the question in matter. >About the only thing I actually use there, is the zoom sli

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-01 Thread Joshua Ismael
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:26:54AM +0100, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: BLK selects (roughly) rectangular blocks (is this useful for anything?) D. Block selection is useful when copying text from PDF files that were in columns. ___ LibreOffice mailing lis

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-01 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 20:28 +, Michael Meeks wrote: > On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 13:03 -0500, Kohei Yoshida wrote: > > > Is there a use case to justify exposing any of this to users? > > > > Can you expand on what you mean by 'any of this'? > > I guess the root problem is that you can do ope

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-01 Thread Michael Meeks
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 13:03 -0500, Kohei Yoshida wrote: > > Is there a use case to justify exposing any of this to users? > > Can you expand on what you mean by 'any of this'? I guess the root problem is that you can do operations in a spreadsheet that (when saved) produce a different do

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-01 Thread David Tardon
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:26:54AM +0100, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > - I have to single-click on the INSRT and STD->EXT->ADD->BLK and > language selection thingies, but to double-click on the Page 1/1 and > "Default" for something to happen. I just found out by coincidence > today that I can l

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:22:36 +0100, Regina Henschel wrote: > Sebastian Spaeth schrieb: > > Am I the only one finding the current status bar pretty much useless? > Yes ;) OK, let me be more precise "has improvement potential in its current form" :) > To learn more about the status bar have a look

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:50:28 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > Information given by the status bar, plus the control options it gives, > often is important for users I advise. Nobody, lest I, doubts or denies that. But do your users like to remember on which items they have to single, or double-click t

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:54:37 -0500, Kohei Yoshida wrote: > > a) This is the standard state of my documents (see, I tend to modify > > docs in a editor, DOH), and that exclamation mark purports some > > sense of urgency and failure. > Sorry I have to disagree there. Thanks for the

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Joe, Joe Smith wrote (30-11-10 18:30) I think Sebastian has raised a number of good points. Forcing users to deal with stuff that only experts care about is a huge problem with OOo; I sincerely hope LibO can do better. Information given by the status bar, plus the control options it gives,

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 12:30 -0500, Joe Smith wrote: > On 11/30/2010 09:54 AM, Kohei Yoshida wrote: > > > > Sorry I have to disagree there. I'm the one who put that icon there, > > and the reason for that was to have a visually obvious way to tell > > whether or not the document is currently modifi

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Tor Lillqvist
> From what I've seen, users only expect one thing: a way to reliably > save their work. Of course, that is just because users of traditional desktop OSes have learned it the hard way that you need to "save" your document often in order to avoid data loss in case of crashes and whatnot. In en

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Joe Smith
On 11/30/2010 09:54 AM, Kohei Yoshida wrote: Sorry I have to disagree there. I'm the one who put that icon there, and the reason for that was to have a visually obvious way to tell whether or not the document is currently modified. A lot of people were using the save icon status for that purpo

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 10:34 -0500, Kevin Hunter wrote: > At 9:54am -0500 Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Kohei Yoshida wrote: > > Sorry I have to disagree there. I'm the one who put that icon there, > > and the reason for that was to have a visually obvious way to tell > > whether or not the document is currentl

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Kevin Hunter
At 9:54am -0500 Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Kohei Yoshida wrote: Sorry I have to disagree there. I'm the one who put that icon there, and the reason for that was to have a visually obvious way to tell whether or not the document is currently modified. A lot of people were using the save icon status for tha

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Regina Henschel
Hi Sebastian, Sebastian Spaeth schrieb: Am I the only one finding the current status bar pretty much useless? Yes ;) To learn more about the status bar have a look at http://www.ooowiki.de/StatusLeiste. It is in German and needs an update, but the text shows, that the status bar is a great

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Kohei Yoshida
Hi Sebastian, On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 11:26 +0100, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > - What annoys me most is the "document modified indicator". If it is > unmodified, I see some *empty* separators in the status bar (why do we > show empty separators? these should GO GO GO away) and the mouse > toolt

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Nigel Hawkins
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 12:12 +0100, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > 2) Remove the Selection mode thing. Unless people are really using > that. I use it. Probably not often enough to warrant it being on the status bar permanently, but it does get used. Nigel _

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:26:54 +0100, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > Am I the only one finding the current status bar pretty much useless? May I propose these changes to the writer statusbar? These have been achieved by modifying a few lines of .xml and are much cleaner IMHO. See the old and the new o