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(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #84)
> ... Any case when LibreOffice doesn't follow system preferences
> is a bug, so people setting their environment according to their preference,
> shoul
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IMO, this needs to be closed; and instead, every specific case (like comment 73
for Qt5 having different fonts in different UI elements; comment 80 about XFCE,
etc.) need own issues about improper ha
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--- Comment #83 from Heiko Tietze ---
(In reply to waylon_darien from comment #82)
> All my other favorite apps allow me to manually change
> the size of the menu text.
Which are those?
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This issue has forced me to learn that libreoffice is hard to beat. I've been
looking into alternatives to libreoffice specifically because it appears the
developers are refusing to re-integ
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(In reply to count3rmeasure from comment #80)
> Maybe so, but on Kali, i.e. mostly Debian(!) with XFCE, no amount of system
> fiddling is helping scale.
If you start with "SAL_FORCEDPI=144 libreoffic
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> (In reply to Janek from comment #74)
> > ...LibreOffice draws the UI using its own
> > custom widgets (maybe Java ones?) completely ignoring any system
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Why not use SAL_FORCEDPI environment variable? Something like that:
SAL_FORCEDPI=150 SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gen libreoffice7.3
You can tweak the value assigned to SAL_FORCEDPI to fit your need, ta
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--- Comment #75 from Heiko Tietze ---
(In reply to Janek from comment #74)
> ...LibreOffice draws the UI using its own
> custom widgets (maybe Java ones?) completely ignoring any system settings.
Not true for me on KDE. Changing the font
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I specifically created an account in this bug tracker to say that I am also
affected by this. I am on Linux and LibreOffice draws the UI using its own
custom widgets (maybe Java ones?) completely ignoring an
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--- Comment #73 from Konstantin ---
What the hell with LO UI font?! The menu bar follows QT5 style, everything else
doesn't! I have 96x96 dpi and completely unusable peace of software because of
the tiny font I can't change!
Version: 7.2
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--- Comment #71 from Heiko Tietze ---
(In reply to Charles C from comment #70)
> I'm not sure what you mean by special setup; I don't have anything special
> going on here.
Let's discuss it in bug 144784.
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--- Comment #70 from Charles C ---
(In reply to Heiko T from comment #67)
> From what I understand is that you run a special setup where all applications
> draw text nicely but LibreOffice not.
I'm not sure what you mean by special setu
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@Heiko
"From what I understand is that you run a special setup"
This question was for Charles, but I see similar effect and I don't have
anything special. I see this in openSUSE Leap 15.3 and Tumb
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--- Comment #68 from Yury ---
> Which application does zoom the UI?
And if the answer be "none", none should ever do, too?
Is it even relevant?
But fine, fine. Softmaker's Office does.
Three sizes of controls and UI text size on a slid
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--- Comment #67 from Heiko Tietze ---
(In reply to Charles C from comment #66)
> Any solution would be great.
>From what I understand is that you run a special setup where all applications
draw text nicely but LibreOffice not. Mind to fi
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--- Comment #66 from Charles C ---
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that only a zoom-UI setting would fix the problem
for me.
I would be happy for any solution that let my not-so-young-anymore eyes read
the interface/menubar easily. That c
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--- Comment #65 from Yury ---
Those aren't "bugs", those are "wrong solutions", in fact, not in name.
Guys, did you take a pledge against the "variable zoom in the UI", or what?
People are asking you to spare their eyesight, or at least
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--- Comment #64 from Heiko Tietze ---
(In reply to bantu from comment #63)
> LO so far uses the tiniest font possible (as shown in screenshot posted by
> Charles) and on top of it, it uses gray background like _no_ other app
> around. Thi
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--- Comment #63 from ba...@poczta.fm ---
While I don't know what old "Scaling" did for sure, and it is the fact desktop
apps uses probably plethora of settings (judging by their look) the fact
remains -- LibreOffice is an outlier.
To answ
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Font-size comparison between LibreOffice and other applications
All other applications show menu
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--- Comment #60 from V Stuart Foote ---
(In reply to MarjaE from comment #59)
> Firefox allows (a) preferences to set a readable minimum front size, and (b)
> userChrome.css and userContent.css to set a fixed font size. There are some
> b
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Firefox allows (a) preferences to set a readable minimum front size, and (b)
userChrome.css and userContent.css to set a fixed font size. There are some
bugs when rendering web pages.
Now what options does
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--- Comment #57 from Yury ---
Allow me to disagree.
First, terminal emulators and their "UIs" rather aren't a good case here.
Then, every major browser (Chrome, Firefox) has an option to regulate at least
the UI font size, be it through
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--- Comment #56 from Heiko Tietze ---
(In reply to Yury from comment #55)
> Every app where one would expect lots of looking at servicing/helping text
> (word or spreadsheet processor comes to mind!), there should be an option to
> regula
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--- Comment #55 from Yury ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #54)
> What makes LibreOffice so special that you expect UI scaling when all other
> applications use fix values.
But they don't, at least not 'all'.
E.g., Firefox ha
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What makes LibreOffice so special that you expect UI scaling when all other
applications use fix values.
(Rhetorical question that doesn't need to be answered, just to illustrate my
position.)
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--- Comment #53 from dev...@oddhack.org ---
I'd also benefit from this change. Note: not using any "Desktop Environment",
just a traditional X window manager. It is very annoying to have UI text almost
too small to see while I can arbitrar
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--- Comment #51 from bchemnet ---
William - I can confirm that the font size issue seems to have disappeared when
I switched to XFCE 4.14.
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Hi bchemnet,
I assume you are still using XFCE 4.12 based on GTK2? Since the GTK2 VCL
toolkit is deprecated for LibreOffice, TDF won't maintain this old branch.
Please migrate to the GTK3 toolkit
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I recently updated from 6.1.4 to 6.3 rc2 (Debian XFCE). Now my formula bar
font appears to be ~12 point, considerably larger than the previous version.
And while I completely understand why the comments
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--- Comment #47 from V Stuart Foote ---
(In reply to Alex ARNAUD from comment #46)
> This regression highly impact accessibility because making user able to
> increase size of the interface was a great advantage of LibreOffice compared
>
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--- Comment #45 from Roger ---
Windows UI scaling is neither clean nor helpful; it enlarges EVERYTHING, not
just the App UI. Even if I do enlarge the fonts alone (which is possible in the
OS), that enlarges ALL the fonts, not just the fon
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--- Comment #44 from Stefano ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #43)
> [..] restoring it requires NEW development effort.
Given the number of discussions scattered in the forums, and bug report
duplicates here, all pointing in
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--- Comment #43 from V Stuart Foote ---
(In reply to Yury from comment #42)
> My apologies, but do the decision-makers even understand the issue raised
> here (and in #67372)?? For I, for example, did not understand at all the
> reason fo
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--- Comment #42 from Yury ---
My apologies, but do the decision-makers even understand the issue raised here
(and in #67372)?? For I, for example, did not understand at all the reason for
closing #67372 (which, incidentally, is actually N
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--- Comment #40 from unresponsive ---
The power of this scaling feature to me is that you can move between any
system/display and with one simple setting all your documents now display in a
standard way with all your other systems/display
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(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #36)
> (In reply to Spiros Georgaras from comment #35)
> > LO font size is currently smaller that my desktop font size (see ss)
>
> That's clearly NOTO
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--- Comment #37 from Spiros Georgaras ---
It looks like you are right!!!
and thank you for your reply; it pointed me to the right direction!!!
I installed lxappearance, but changing the font with it made no difference...
But then, when
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--- Comment #36 from Heiko Tietze ---
(In reply to Spiros Georgaras from comment #35)
> LO font size is currently smaller that my desktop font size (see ss)
That's clearly NOTOURBUG, please check your theme. I'm running LXQt with three
p
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--- Comment #35 from Spiros Georgaras ---
Hi guys,
I understand that this was causing problems, because of its poor
implementation, but...
Please, please, please, re-implement it!!!
LO font size is currently smaller that my desktop fon
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--- Comment #33 from André Brait ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #32)
> (In reply to André Brait from comment #31)
> > My real issue is the icons, though. They look just broken.
>
> Under Tools > Options > View you can control
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--- Comment #32 from Heiko Tietze ---
(In reply to André Brait from comment #31)
> My real issue is the icons, though. They look just broken.
Under Tools > Options > View you can control the icon size.
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--- Comment #31 from André Brait ---
Adding to the cc list as well.
This annoys a lot. It's ok since I use Debian and we're still using the 5.2
branch, but when I use other distros that have the 5.3 branch it's unusable.
My real issue i
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--- Comment #29 from walttheboss ---
I apologize profusely. Sorry for triple post. My browser kept giving me an
nginx error so I thought this was not posting.
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--- Comment #25 from walttheboss ---
I am a teacher of Computer applications. We use a very large variety of
computers (desktops, laptops, virtual machines). The ability for students to
work together is greatly enhanced by scaling. The
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--- Comment #26 from walttheboss ---
I am a teacher of Computer applications. We use a very large variety of
computers (desktops, laptops, virtual machines). The ability for students to
work together is greatly enhanced by scaling. The
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I am a teacher of Computer applications. We use a very large variety of
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work together is greatly enhanced by scaling. The
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I am a teacher of Computer applications. We use a very large variety of
computers (desktops, laptops, virtual machines). The ability for students to
work together is greatly enhanced by scaling. The
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--- Comment #23 from Matt K. ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #9)
> No, removing the scaling was correct as it was affecting implementation of
> HiDPI support.
>
> Believe same effect can/should be achieved with better integr
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--- Comment #20 from LibreTraining ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #17)
> Magnifying, zooming and font scaling is up to the OS/DE. What other major
> program provides such a feature?
Operating system global scaling is rarely
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--- Comment #19 from V Stuart Foote ---
Again, it was removed because it was poorly implemented in source/UI and was
interfering with implementation of support for HiDPI.
Yes it could possibly be "restored", but better to redesign and im
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--- Comment #18 from brucehohl ---
> What other major program provides such a feature?
Exactly!!
This is a great feature not commonly found in other office software. It allows
the flexibility to configure the LO UI text independently of
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--- Comment #17 from Heiko Tietze ---
Magnifying, zooming and font scaling is up to the OS/DE. What other major
program provides such a feature?
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--- Comment #15 from LibreTraining ---
I was using this to increase the font size to make screenshots easier to read.
Try documenting the navigator with any clarity with that tiny type.
Upscaling a screenshot is not an option as it even
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--- Comment #14 from kompilainenn <79045_79...@mail.ru> ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #13)
> From UX perspective, I do not see requirement to restore this.
from usability for average users I see requirement to restore this.
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--- Comment #12 from Timur ---
According to what Stuart wrote, this looks like WontFix?
There should be either that, either decision how to resolve
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--- Comment #11 from thack...@nexgo.de ---
Hello Regina, *,
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #6)
> The problem still exists in Version: 5.3.0.0.alpha1+
> Build ID: 8a796410ec8f440b4163b15b928347c499da7a8f
> CPU Threads: 4; OS Vers
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> No, removing the scaling was correct as it was affecting implementation of
> HiDPI support.
>
> Believe same effect can/should be a
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