Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [fsf-community-team] Golden Rule

2016-08-16 Thread Mary-Anne Wolf
Here http://file.scirp.org/pdf/OJOG_2015012313592885.pdf is an example of doctors reporting how they needed to make adjustments to a pacemaker when the patient was pregnant. I remember hearing a talk by someone who had a pacemaker, got pregnant, and could not have the settings changed. She said,

[libreplanet-discuss] We need clear advocacy for software freedom, not proprietary greenwashing

2016-08-16 Thread J.B. Nicholson
arthur_tor...@comcast.net wrote: There is a very mixed bag situation on medical device hacking, in that yes, it is definitely possible to cause potentially life threatening situations if one makes modifications the wrong way... The problem with this argument is that we wouldn't accept this line

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [fsf-community-team] Golden Rule

2016-08-16 Thread arthur_torrey
There is a very mixed bag situation on medical device hacking, in that yes, it is definitely possible to cause potentially life threatening situations if one makes modifications the wrong way... On the flip side, is it any better if that mistake is because the proprietary manufacturer doesn't a

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Golden Rule Angle for Libre Software Advocacy

2016-08-16 Thread N.Thomas
On August 16, 2016 2:49:37 PM GMT-05:00, christopher Lucy wrote: >Plse keep us up on this thread it has huge privacy & ethical >considerations not to mention wellness issues..CLucy restore 4th > >On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, Aaron E-J wrote: > >> If an open source device is modified by the end

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Golden Rule Angle for Libre Software Advocacy

2016-08-16 Thread N.Thomas
The medical device issue proves just how important it is for Free Software to overcome the slavery by design in closed technologies. The same losses inflicted on humanity's advancement by legacy concepts of intellectual property will persist and amplify in this area.  The pharmaceutical and med

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Golden Rule Angle for Libre Software Advocacy

2016-08-16 Thread christopher Lucy
Wouldnt the FAA OR SOME AGENCY HAVE SOME INPUT ON THINGS LIKE THAT.. On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, jimgarrett...@gmail.com < jimgarrett...@gmail.com> wrote: > This thread got me wondering also if there were cases where public > interest demands some sort of control. What about jetliner software?

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [fsf-community-team] Golden Rule Angle for Libre Software Advocacy

2016-08-16 Thread jimgarrett...@gmail.com
This thread got me wondering also if there were cases where public interest demands some sort of control. What about jetliner software? This software is extremely rigorously reviewed by government agency, at least in the US. Should the user (jetliner company) have the right to modify such softwa

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Golden Rule Angle for Libre Software Advocacy

2016-08-16 Thread christopher Lucy
Plse keep us up on this thread it has huge privacy & ethical considerations not to mention wellness issues..CLucy restore 4th On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, Aaron E-J wrote: > If an open source device is modified by the end consumer and this consumer > does not know what they are doing, in the me

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [fsf-community-team] Golden Rule Angle for Libre Software Advocacy

2016-08-16 Thread Aaron E-J
If an open source device is modified by the end consumer and this consumer does not know what they are doing, in the medical field this can have life threatening consequences. People who do not understand what it means for something to be open source could take a press release about such a scenari

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [fsf-community-team] Golden Rule Angle for Libre Software Advocacy

2016-08-16 Thread Carolina Flores
2016-08-14 19:06 GMT-06:00 MBR : > This is the kind of argument we need to be making. It's something average > people can relate to because it's real today. Worrying about the plight of > robots in some hypothetical future is not going to interest anyone other > than the most avid Trekkies, and

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Golden Rule Angle for Libre Software Advocacy

2016-08-16 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
We don't really need to go far as to rely on beliefs of "incarnation" or "machine revolution". I personally accept everybody's beliefs on these matters, don't worry. However, not everyone believe in the same things, although accepting the opinions. It's worth noting that, we don't really need to m

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Golden Rule Angle for Libre Software Advocacy

2016-08-16 Thread Logan Streondj
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/16/16 00:54, Carolina Flores wrote: > > > > ​Here you have some articles about this subject: > > Beyond human: How I became a > cyborghttp://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140107-how-i-became-a-cyborg > ​ > > > Could hackers break my heart