Re: FSF official site does not announce important events

Maybe it’s time to start a Free Stallman Federation On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 11:20 AM Akira Urushibata <[1]a...@wta.att.ne.jp> wrote: An article in the Techrights site says that FSF does not announce events featuring lectures by Richard Stallman on its official site any

The story of Debian's community governance model

Hi all- Folks here might appreciate this short summary of a long history, written up for a library of community ownership conversions for various tech projects and startups worldwide: See the online sources at [1]https://twitter.com/exittocommunity/status/1743289066362167383

Linux is sentient?!

[1]https://twitter.com/iinux/status/1544540489017442304 References 1. https://twitter.com/iinux/status/1544540489017442304 ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org

Re: Job opportunity: Humane Innovation Lead for Center for Humane Technology

Some important background and context on CHT: [1]https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/26/silicon-valleys-crisis -of-conscience [2]https://www.wired.com/story/tech-needs-to-listen-to-actual-researche rs/ On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 10:33 AM Paul D. Fernhout

Re: What does Elon Musk say about free software?

Investors are aware that Twitter is a worthwhile investment- to wit, [1]https://twitter.com/pitdesi/status/152513404534788 Also, lenders are aware that Musk runs business that they depends on (eg Tesla banks with Morgan Stanley). So, if you follow the money, things become a bit

Re: thank you elon musk

That thread is not mine, fyi Also I think any true ally of freedom and foe of unfreedom would take stock of the situation with Twitter and its current dominance On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 11:32 AM Thomas Lord <[1]l...@basiscraft.com> wrote: :-) speling is not my strength.

Re: thank you elon musk

Unfortunately, Twitter has a huge critical mass of users and functions as a (publicly traded) public utility. News programs read tweets live on TV. Politicians post statements via tweets too. Earthquake reports come out first via Twitter before official alerts come out - also on

Re: why isn't stallman on lp2022 speakers list?

Except he’s not speaking this year, it seems, so that’s why I proposed all of true fans organize a conference featuring him! Anyone interested?? On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 7:53 PM Adrienne G. Thompson <[1]adriennegayethomp...@gmail.com> wrote: Danny: Maybe then the LibrePlanet

Re: why isn't stallman on lp2022 speakers list?

Maybe then the LibrePlanet organizers need to change the name!! On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:17 PM Adrienne G. Thompson <[1]adriennegayethomp...@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Danny: People can organize StallmanCon any time RMS is available and he can be the only speaker! Dr. Richard

Re: why isn't stallman on lp2022 speakers list?

Simply put, people seem very focused on RMS — and I’ve yet to hear anyone express any interest in anyone else at LibreCon or not — so it follows that those people might consider trying to organize their own event, no? On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 6:05 PM Jean Louis wrote: * Danny

Re: why isn't stallman on lp2022 speakers list?

People can organize StallmanCon any time RMS is available and he can be the only speaker! On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 5:20 PM Jean Louis wrote: I surely wait one year to see RMS talking on Libreplanet, so please consider to update your agenda and invite him. On March 3, 2022

Re: why isn't stallman on lp2022 speakers list?

Here's an idea: organize "StallmanCon"! On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:20 PM Adrienne G. Thompson <[1]adriennegayethomp...@gmail.com> wrote: Fellow Free Software Supporters: Let's let the Libre Planet organisers know that the worldwide Free software community

Re: COVID-19 testing

Interesting points. I wonder if it’s possible to say who was worse for people- Mussolini or Walgreens. On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 10:15 AM <[1]fischersfr...@sent.at> wrote: When I commented earlier on my surety, I took Danny's uncertainty to be about whether the software and

Re: COVID-19 testing

Fascism? Are you sure? On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:36 AM Jean Louis wrote: * C. Cossé <[1]cco...@gmail.com> [2021-08-18 20:33]: >You are using proprietary software from the moment you wake up in the >morning. Even the traffic lights on your way to the pharmacy

Re: Is GitHub Copilot violates free software licenses?

Leslie gets it On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 8:57 AM J Leslie Turriff <[1]jlturr...@mail.com> wrote: On 2021-07-07 14:04:02 Jean Louis wrote: > * alimiracle <[2]alimira...@riseup.net> [2021-07-07 21:35]: > > its doesn't give you the same code. > > That for sure. >

Re: Is GitHub Copilot violates free software licenses?

I guess this exposes just how difficult (almost impossible) it is to send the GPL police after a company worth billions of dollars. On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 8:08 PM Kesara Rathnayake <[1]kes...@fq.nz> wrote: Hi all, GitHub recently released a service called Github

Re: Support RMS

hers reply. On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 3:49 AM Jean Louis wrote: * Danny Spitzberg <[1]stationa...@gmail.com> [2021-04-16 11:08]: > > Can you finally find which session was it: > > > > [2]https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/collection/librep

Re: Support RMS

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 10:04 PM Jean Louis wrote: * Danny Spitzberg <[1]stationa...@gmail.com> [2021-04-16 07:44]: > Unfortunately, but unsurprisingly, the recording of the talk cuts off > before RMS started yelling angrily. So please, where is the URL?

Re: Support RMS> to Deb, all

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 9:34 PM <[1]quil...@riseup.net> wrote: Danny Spitzberg <[2]stationa...@gmail.com> writes: > A great deal of assertions are flying around this list. > > People are selectively ignoring dozens of personal stories and >

Re: Support RMS - find new communities

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 3:55 PM Adrienne G. Thompson <[1]adriennegayethomp...@gmail.com> wrote: Aaron, there is no resolution. They have demonstrated beyond any doubt that they do not want and will not enter into any resolution. It's never been about resolution, though,

Re: Support RMS

;[1]adriennegayethomp...@gmail.com> wrote: > * Danny Spitzberg <[2]stationa...@gmail.com> [2021-04-16 08:21]: > "(I was not close enough to smell his feet, however)" Paraphrasing the gospel of Luke 7:36-39: And behold - one of those in the Free/Libre Software community who

Re: Support RMS

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 3:40 PM Alexandre Oliva <[1]lxol...@fsfla.org> wrote: On Apr 15, 2021, Aaron Wolf <[2]wolft...@riseup.net> wrote: > That RMS turns some people away is not debatable. I'm willing to accept that as a premise. It would take more than a saint (which

Re: Support RMS

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 12:29 AM Jean Louis wrote: * Danny Spitzberg <[1]stationa...@gmail.com> [2021-04-16 09:48]: > > You bring up some ha ha cultural differences, but some people are more > > free and some not. > > Jean, I mention

Re: Support RMS

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 3:19 PM Alexandre Oliva <[1]lxol...@fsfla.org> wrote: On Apr 15, 2021, Jean Louis wrote: > Alexandre Oliva, have you been on many Libreplanet videos, that you > can confirm how RMS yelled on public speakers and if that is so, can > we

Re: Support RMS

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 9:49 PM Jean Louis wrote: * Alexandre Oliva <[1]lxol...@fsfla.org> [2021-04-16 01:40]: > That's why I find it so hard to believe that the poeple carrying out > these actions are acting out of love for the Free Software movement. > Even if

Re: Support RMS

ountry in Middle East and I see this every day and I know and feel and understand it; and I fight against it. On April 15, 2021 5:39:30 PM UTC, Danny Spitzberg <[2]stationa...@gmail.com> wrote: >Ali, mocking is disgusting. I don’t think you should do that. >

Re: Support RMS

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 6:13 PM <[1]quil...@riseup.net> wrote: I have been yelled at by Richard. I just yelled back. We stopped yelling immediately and continued our conversation. I did not attack him publicly as a retaliation. What I would call for, is that the

Re: Support RMS> to Deb, all

A great deal of assertions are flying around this list. People are selectively ignoring dozens of personal stories and experiences, apparently assuming it is all a massive conspiracy that has been boiling for decades. That seems to prevent productive communication, and it adds to an

Re: Support RMS> to Deb, all

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 10:30 PM <[1]quil...@riseup.net> wrote: Danny Spitzberg <[2]stationa...@gmail.com> writes: > On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 9:34 PM <[3]quil...@riseup.net> wrote: > > Danny Spitzberg <[4]stationa...@gmail.com> writ

Re: Support RMS

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 9:39 PM Jean Louis wrote: * Alexandre Oliva <[1]lxol...@fsfla.org> [2021-04-16 01:40]: > People who believe them are likely to be turned away not just from the > FSF, but from any public appearance by RMS as leader or regular > participant in

Re: Support RMS> to Deb, all

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 12:25 PM gregor <[1]podrzaj.gre...@gmail.com> wrote: hi Deb, all. hope you bear with me and my thinking. here goes: i feel that dumbing down the peoples of usa worked. well, the same seems to be the case in my country, with maybe

Re: Support RMS

Ali, mocking is disgusting. I don’t think you should do that. On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 10:37 AM Ali Reza Hayati <[1]a...@gnu.org> wrote: Do you guys follow football? I mean the real football, not Amerikkkan one. There's a club in Spain named Barcelona. They have a player

Re: Support RMS

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:24 PM Jean Louis wrote: * Danny Spitzberg <[1]stationa...@gmail.com> [2021-04-16 08:21]: > On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 10:04 PM Jean Louis wrote: > > > * Danny Spitzberg <[2]stationa...@gmail.com> [2021-04-16 07:44]:

Re: Support RMS

> The intent to destroy the Free Software Movement for the purposes of procuring financial advantage might even be criminal and should be investigated This sounds like a big claim. What's the evidence? On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 5:57 PM Adrienne G. Thompson

Re: Support RMS

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 6:36 PM Adrienne G. Thompson <[1]adriennegayethomp...@gmail.com> wrote: > The intent to destroy the Free Software Movement for the purposes of procuring financial advantage might even be criminal and should be investigated This sounds like a big claim.

Re: The endless thread without benefit - Re: re. RMS

It may be my email client or my eyes but I cannot decipher this ascii art. Accessibility standards would implore you to please also include a plain text translation. On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 12:22 PM Jean Louis wrote: * Lori Nagel via libreplanet-discuss

Re: libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 132, Issue 4

Luke, you say “the” purpose of a code of conduct is to destroy communities. I say, there are many purposes- and one of them is to prevent harassment and harm. Consider this analysis: [1]http://rachelnabors.com/2015/09/01/code-of-conduct/ Recently I was approached by the

Proposals to improve FSF (was a thread about FSF union)

Jean, what was your proposal to improve FSF? Aaron Paul Deb and I believe a few others have had their ideas come through via this list. On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 10:03 AM Jean Louis wrote: * Danny Spitzberg <[1]stationa...@gmail.com> [2021-03-31 19:25]: >Below

Re: Support RMS

tter.com/paulnivin/status/1377079987950395393 On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 2:14 PM quiliro <[2]quil...@riseup.net> wrote: Danny Spitzberg <[3]stationa...@gmail.com> writes: > Ali, I’m disappointed but not surprised you came to that conclusion yet > again. The h

Re: Support RMS

What do you mean by “remove”? On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:38 AM Quiliro Ordóñez <[1]quil...@riseup.net> wrote: I see there is a great effort to make a small group of people remove the work of just one person. What that one person does must be very important for

Re: Support RMS

Jean, by evidence of the discussion about effective organizational governance and the contributions to the free software movement, these messages are all important to happy hacking for liberation. I count 16 messages from you with attempts to police people for their views and

Re: Support RMS

Agreed- enough! Let’s find a way for everyone to focus on hacking happily. We’ve got great ideas so far from folks like Aaron Paul Deb and others. On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 5:16 PM Thomas Lord <[1]l...@basiscraft.com> wrote: This has gotten beyond absurd. For years, this

Re: Support RMS

> “This list is not for that” Jean, yours seems to be a very narrow and selective interpretation of what’s written at [1]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss : “A discussion list for the LibrePlanet free software community. Discuss developments in

Re: Support RMS

F and you should, it would seem, take that option. -t On 2021-03-26 10:46, Danny Spitzberg wrote: A union certainly helped everyone set and keep healthy boundaries. I have no doubt RMS was supportive. Like Paul suggested, a set of community agreements or a code of conduct or a cont

Re: Support RMS

Consider the fact that several FSF staff are going public for having organized and joined a union in order to protect themselves against the whims and wills of RMS, like if he suddenly decided to take away health insurance for everyone or other workplace dysfunction. Forming a

Re: Support RMS

Confirmation bias is a heck of a drug. It feels good feel right- to draw conclusions, accept only supporting evidence, and reject everything else. Fo a year now it seems people want to frame everything as a matter of “character assassination” — and that is why the line Aaron quoted

Re: Support RMS

oftware movement. >> >> I regard that as a straight up lie because none of the derogatory things said about him have supported that conclusion. >> >> Once again, you are free not to associate with the FSF or the movement, but pretending to be an ally while

Re: Support RMS

My apologies! Please accept these two edits: I don’t know *why you say it’s simply a lie. Here’s another testimony from *another former FSF staff member: On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 10:55 AM Danny Spitzberg <[1]stationa...@gmail.com> wrote: I don’t know you say it’s simply

Re: Support RMS

associate with the FSF or the movement, but pretending to be an ally while repeating slanders should not be tolerated here or anywhere. -t On 2021-03-26 10:32, Danny Spitzberg wrote: Consider the fact that several FSF staff are going public for having organized and joined a union

Re: Support RMS

s supportive. On March 26, 2021 6:02:52 PM UTC, Danny Spitzberg <[2]stationa...@gmail.com> wrote: >Ali, I’m disappointed but not surprised you came to that conclusion yet >again. The history seems to be the opposite: FSF staff organized a union >because RMS was c

Re: RMS is back on board

At the risk of oversimplification,... It is bad practice for a movement to protect people who behave badly and have demonstrated an unwillingness or inability to change their behavior — because they have made some good contributions. It’s ever worse practice to pretend people

Re: Support RMS

ee not to associate with the FSF >> and you should, it would seem, take that option. >> >> -t >> >> On 2021-03-26 10:46, Danny Spitzberg wrote: >> >>> A union certainly helped everyone set and keep healthy

Re: Support RMS

sage to [5]i...@fsf.org is a way of showing your support. They are acting like mobs and bullies, we should not step down from our principals, which are fighting for justice and truth. On 26/03/2021 04:49, Danny Spitzberg wrote: > I’m not clear on why I should send a message

Re: Support RMS

I’m not clear on why I should send a message of support for RMS. On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 4:57 PM Ali Reza Hayati <[1]hay...@riseup.net> wrote: People, FSF board has received lots of messages today and there's no need to add to the pile. Please send your support for

“Free Software”: An idea whose time has passed?

Interesting perspective, worth engaging with. It covers everything from the term free/libre and beer, to Microsoft and IEC 62304, to not getting credit and reactionary attitudes. “Free Software”: An idea whose time has passed [1]Robert M. Lefkowitz Almost forty years ago, in

Re: RMS is back on board

either and I hope the same thing. On 03/24/2021 01:33 AM, Jean Louis wrote: > * Danny Spitzberg <[4]stationa...@gmail.com> [2021-03-23 19:10]: >> RMS announced he is back on the FSF board >> [1][5]https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/1373905399

RMS is back on board

RMS announced he is back on the FSF board [1]https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/1373905399707955202 but his name is not (yet?) on the FSF website [2]https://www.fsf.org/about/staff-and-board/ ? References 1. https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/1373905399707955202 2.

Re: Advice Workplace that Forces Non-Free Software

Aug 31, 2020 at 8:38 AM Danny Spitzberg <[2]stationa...@gmail.com> wrote: Jean makes a great point that I’m surprised nobody has expanded upon: > injustice is injustice, if it happens to me personally or if it happens to other people. Spreading of free software is one way to

Re: Advice Workplace that Forces Non-Free Software

Jean makes a great point that I’m surprised nobody has expanded upon: > injustice is injustice, if it happens to me personally or if it happens to other people. Spreading of free software is one way to liberate others, and talking about it and teaching others is also one good way to

Re: FSF Resign Awards: Call for Nominations

I thought Bradley’s 2018 “state of the copyleft union“ talk at LibrePlanet was a rare and important bit of positive constructive criticism for free/libre software. Sadly, it was met with mixed reactions from the audience- including RMS who apparently saw it as defeatist, because he

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

If you take a glance on this list, on twitter, and in other corners of the internets, there are a ton of folks sharing their legitimate concerns about the broader issues in free software, FSF, and rms. Singling out Mary-Anne (in all-caps?) for sharing articles written by other

[libreplanet-discuss] FSF individualism in Logic Magazine

Hi all [1]this article on the "failure" of free software ran last month (long before the recent scandal) and offers what could be an important wake up call — especially in light of the wild hand-wringing about RMS. The following quote feels prescient: “Free software pioneers like

[libreplanet-discuss] Mixing floss and politics

For today's focus, https://twitter.com/jamiebuilds/status/1034594832876879872 and the replies. Discuss! ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] What's the best URL shortener?

WordPress has a nifty url shorter for pages or assets on the same site. It made a really big difference for lots of people in terms of accessibility, for example, in printing promotional postcards with xyz.site/jan20event/ On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 12:58 AM J.B. Nicholson