A very effective argument is to look back at what happened under software
non-freedom. The entirety of https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/ is replete with
examples of this, often from establishment-serving media which passes muster in the
computer field. In fact
Alexandre Oliva wrote:
[Wikipedia is] definitely not neutral ground.
I concur; there are different groups interested in presenting a particular view of
things via Wikipedia articles. As I understand it, whose view is seen by many comes
down to either who is connected to Wikipedia admins or
Thomas Lord wrote:
> Setting aside the legal restrictions imposed on speech by the
> free software foundation, who would decide what the FSF view
> of particular armed conflicts between nations should be?
> Who would be alienated? Who would be in reactionary
> opposition to the statement?
I
I would like to try reading some DRM-free eBooks with a backlit eBook reader which is
lighter than using a laptop and less expensively than using a laptop.
I don't need it to be network accessible (no wifi, no Bluetooth needed) so long as it
has a USB port and a high capacity storage medium
Jim wrote:
In fact this is a good example of how Free Software enables users, even if they
don't code themselves: it's my understanding that Adam Good, who plays Turkish
music professionally (with NYC band Dolunay among others), raised money to hire
programmers to extend Lilypond to support
murph wrote:
I'd like to share an experience of mine with Richard Stallman, and
some reflections on the current situation.
In about 2010 or so, I went to the Trenton Computer Festival. Richard
was slated to talk. It was a treat to have him speak close to home
for me. I also noticed that he
Thomas Lord wrote:
Having been personally close enough to see how some of the EFF founders
thought, I
will remain comfortable damning the organization in absolute terms. Nothing in
their history of advocacy has changed my mind. Obviously other people without
that direct experience might not
Lori Nagel via libreplanet-discuss wrote:
I used to read digests cause I got too many emails and was on tons and
tons of email lists about various topics of interest.
You could have chosen to use the filtering capability found in any modern
email client to sort emails into folders. That
Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
Is there something wrong with them per se? Except, that most of the
people have no clue how to use them properly, I mean.
I find that most MUAs don't handle digests well and this creates needless
thread breaking. I don't blame the software mishandling on the user.
Ian Kelling wrote:
Are there any more people who want the footer removed
here? Right now, the From address gets changed for senders to Someone
via libreplanet-discuss , removing
the footer would allow us to keep the original from address.
I'd like to see both the footer removed and keeping a
Valessio Brito wrote:
Which browser are you viewing like this? Can you provide more details?
Mozilla Firefox 60.7.2esr (64-bit) on Debian 9.9 64-bit.
There's no need to send feedback to me if you're also going to send it to
the mailing list. I'll pick it up on the list.
Valessio Brito wrote:
This email is intended to start a discussion and get people excited
about making improvements to the way we use MediaWiki for LibrePlanet.
I have a lot of ideas, and I can't do everything myself. I would like
to invite you to participate, or to forward this email to someone
Caleb Herbert wrote:
Stallman told me I can best help by becoming a member and being
diligent about making sure they continue to do what they did when
Stallman was still there.
I can believe that and (regardless of who said it) I agree with this
advice; the perspective of what we should be
fudmier via libreplanet-discuss wrote:
Forcing human rights and democracy first Icon Stallman to resign..seems
to suggest a bigger plan with roots in a design that has as its object
to deny to the world the open source developer invented products and
instructional expertise.
It would be better
Steven Sullam wrote:
WTF? I became interested in the libre group as a more human alternative to
commercial profit driven technology. I am not interesed in reading
discussions of Richard Stallman's personal life or the lack of ethics in
his personal behavior here.
Then you should probably
Adrienne G. Thompson wrote:
The record on Richard Stallman underscores that he is driven by ethical
sensibilities. He's not about to approve of rape anytime soon. So let's
just tell rms to shut up about the Epstein matter, not to attempt to
defend his idols (some of which I, *personally*, know
Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
The only good excuse I ever had for a URL shortener is a choice of
technology combination or misuse, like one is browsing on a desktop and
want to send a message using a mobile containing something they just
browsed.
I quite agree with the objection to
U'll Be King Of The Stars wrote:
Usenet was one of my favorite things about the internet. I would love
for it to be revived.
Usenet is still around and working quite well. Usenet might not be as
popular as it once was but it's not dead. In fact, I'd say that the
principled response to
Michael Downey wrote:
Again, Mozilla is self hosting their Discourse installation.
No idea why you think otherwise.
Apparently I was mistaken, I had understood that the Discourse software was
making reference to items under the control of discourse.org keeping
discourse.org in some control
Michael Downey wrote:
Blaming the Discourse software project ("discourse.org") for the
capacity Mozilla did or didn't build out for their forum would be like
blaming Automattic (builders of WordPress) for my project's site outage
during LibrePlanet that year. It's neither accurate nor fair.
John Sullivan wrote:
I'm not aware of any, but I think that's a good idea, since I've seen
the same conversation many times too. The libreplanet.org wiki could be
a good place for it?
I see that https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists_vs._Discourse_Forum
now points only to
taii...@gmx.com wrote:
You're right, sometimes I get intensely bothered by them and their
dishonesty, apparent leverage over the FSF, insults of legitimate
companies etc.
I think we all deserve sources and quotes to back up your assertions.
Exactly what leverage does Purism have over the FSF?
Cal wrote:
How does one track a UPS package without running proprietary software
on one's own computer?
Have you tried a URL like:
http://wwwapps.ups.com/tracking/tracking.cgi?inquiry1=TRACKINGNUMBER=1
where you replace the phrase TRACKINGNUMBER with your tracking number?
If you get the
bill-auger wrote:
https://media.libreplanet.org/
These appear to be the edited clips, not the unedited segments one would
have saved by using wget on the livestream URLs. So if anyone has the URL
for an LP livestream archive that would help show what one would have seen
on the day of the
Don Saklad wrote:
During LibrePlanet 2019 conference how do you make online information
about what's happening at LibrePlanet 2019 even easier to share with
uninitiated Officials of Local Governments and novice interns,
students?... including LibrePlanet video/audio.
Sometime after the
Lyberta wrote:
Today the Internet is filled with malware that is free software:
https://lyberta.net/articles/tech/free_sw_untrusted.html
The article doesn't make it clear to me what is malware in any of the
listed software. It seems to me that the saving grace of free software is
that one
Aaron Wolf wrote:
The argument by individuals that they will benefit by following the
crowd is not circular.
They're not following crowds, they're joining a service to distribute their
work. They're no more likely to be found than if they used a service that
respects their users wishes for
Caleb Herbert wrote:
Man, XMPP worked great for video and text chat in 2012. Why did it
just get dumped suddenly? :(
There's been considerable pressure to drop standards for things we're all
free to implement and reuse. RSS too is (in the untrustworthy corporate
tech media) said to be less
In the past someone used to wget the streams and/or slides from LibrePlanet
and distribute them.
Is anyone doing this for the current LibrePlanet (2018)?
Thanks.
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David Paul wrote:
Better question: Should you use a URL shortener at all?
Answer: No. URL shorteners obufuscate the destination of
a link and if the shortening service ever shuts down, all
the shortened URL become dead links to who knows what.
I agree; the only acceptable exception I can
Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
Haven't you inverted the words POP3 and IMAP?
I mean, I find it way secure and better to use POP3 because I have all
my email in my own computer, and can yet optionally leave part of the
newest ones in the server.
You never had such security. By the time you can
G. Sebastián Pedersen wrote:
Since the radical change in openmailbox.org I've been searching for
new alternatives on email+cloud.
I came up with https://disroot.org
So I was wondering if you guys could give me some advice or opinion.
I'm not sure what you mean by "cloud" (that's part of the
John Rooke wrote:
Anyone who visited the Daily Stormer prior to its takedown knows that
there is plenty of evidence to vindicate Cloudflare's decision.
None of which you name, point to, nor do you address the issue of this
being extrajudicial which is the chief problem here. This merely
Nominal Animal wrote:
We've lost another freedom, choosing the default character set encoding
in Firefox and Chrome/Chromium browsers.
That sounds like upstream developers are making something you want more
inconvenient. We should distinguish between what's going on with Firefox (a
free
John Rooke wrote:
The example of Daily Stormer is not a good one. The site was being used
to organise alleged criminal activity up to and including murder.
I think the point stands: intermediaries and proprietors can "wake up in a
bad mood" and decide to "kick [someone or some group] off the
Daniel Pocock wrote:
blogger.com and wordpress are well known platforms for people to create
free blogs. Github pages have also become popular with developers
recently.
What are the recommended alternatives for people who want to adhere to
a more free / libre approach?
If you're hosting
Please respect the format of replies being used on this list. Your quoting
style (including top-posting) is not in keeping with how email or mailing
list replies elsewhere on this list are done.
Connor Doherty wrote:
No doubt it's hard to manually inspect, again. And that may be the
reality,
Connor Doherty wrote:
* Mailman, the software usually used for mailing lists, shows its age,
with an unnecessarily clunky, under-designed web interface.
Two big good things about Mailman 2's web interface: it's optional (one can
do mailing list management via email) and it doesn't require
I'd be willing to try and download some test camera and audio footage if
you need someone to help test with before the talks begin (and report back
to you, of course). I'd bet there are others on this mailing list who would
be willing to try it out and report back as well.
If this sounds
Are there live video feeds planned for LP2017?
How about archived videos?
Thanks.
Arthur Torrey wrote:
I can buy (or even trash pick) several 'trailing edge' Wintel laptop or
desktop systems, and get them to at least moderately free states for
less than what an EOMA68 costs, let alone the amount needed to get a
functional Talos box
I'd look at EOMA68 (and any other
Fabián Rodríguez wrote:
* Give $10 or $250 - no options in-between
The price gap that mattered more to me was the machine price gap -- $3700
for a mainboard ("CPU, RAM, power supply, storage drives, and chassis sold
separately") and $7100 for a working computer without monitor. That's both
Have the Minifree's Libreboot D16 systems been tested under computationally
intensive loads?
I'm particularly interested to know if the systems will shut down due to
the CPUs running too hot for too long, or if the system will perhaps slow
down the system to prevent the CPUs from getting so
I've identified what I believe to be a bug in the titling on the video
currently at
https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/richard-stallman-explains-free-software-on-software-freedom-day-2016/
and there is no clear contact information displayed. I'm guessing
LibrePlanet is involved in
arthur_tor...@comcast.net wrote:
I agree, although at least from the evidence we see of users in the
power chair world, a great many don't have any interest is knowing how
their technology works. This seems really strange to me, but is it that
much different from the computer owners that don't
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Aaron E-J
arthur_tor...@comcast.net wrote:
There is a very mixed bag situation on medical device hacking, in that
yes, it is definitely possible to cause potentially life threatening
situations if one makes modifications the wrong way...
The problem with this argument is that we wouldn't accept this
Marcos Marado wrote:
I recently read about a woman who has a pacemaker. It had a software bug,
which frightened her. She knows /of/ it but she doesn't know it, since she
doesn't have access to the software running on her own body. Furthermore,
she found out that there is a functionality in it to
Julien Kyou wrote:
Using GNU as a descriptor 'even in the absence of GNU for freedom
respecting distros' feels right to me, its not credit its a brand. GNU =
Freedom, Should be true.
GNU does nothing to stop hackers from porting it to run on nonfree kernels.
Hence today we have GNU/kWindows
Fabio Pesari wrote:
I think this happens too often, and saying GNU without anything else
reinforces the notion that the only thing the FSF cares about is getting
credited for something they didn't completely build.
Most operating systems include software the distributors didn't write
Serge wrote:
Unless your friends who use Facebook don't actually upload photos of
you and don't talk about you much.
I'm guessing it's pretty easy for organizations to browse the web, find
images containing faces, index the faces, and tie that to extant records of
people's identities.
A suggestion for the LibrePlanet conference group on-site: How about
testing the video and audio feeds tonight before the big day tomorrow?
It would be great to have a fully-working live audio/video feed and working
recordings of the entire conference.
Please consider choosing a mail program that honors Mail-Followup-To. I set
that header in my post and provided a valid destination for followups in
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receive multiple copies. I can read followups on the mailing list. If
Fabio Pesari wrote:
While I appreciate Magnatune's offer, it is a cultural ghetto (you won't
find The Smiths, Depeche Mode or Nick Drake there), just like Jamendo.
That strikes me as a matter of taste and siding with power; you won't find
Magnatune's artists or work on the more
Fabio Pesari wrote:
We hear about companies like Facebook and Google buying out startups all
the time and I thought, why don't we use crowdfunding to buy the rights
to proprietary programs ourselves and release their code under the GPL?
(Of course, we have to be sure all their dependencies are
Logan Streondj wrote:
I'm wondering if there is a GNU/FSF approved URL shortener, [...]
I'm confused about your question: This post appears as a followup in a
thread about LibRay. I don't understand what this has to do with LibRay nor
do I understand how it follows up to anything in the
On fsf-community-t...@gnu.org Tobias Platen wrote :
Bluray has the same problem, therefore LibRay (http://lib-ray.org/) has
been created as a replacement.
Thanks for the pointer, but I'm unclear about what problem LibRay aims to
solve. I've read http://lib-ray.org/reasons.html but I'm still
Thank you very much for those great readings/resources! I love your IBM and
VW examples as well, will use when I talk to others about the subject.
And also add https://www.softwarefreedom.org/ to the list -- Eben Moglen is
one of the Directors here. There are also a bunch of videos on the site
penyuanhs...@gmail.com wrote:
I suspect the same thing. Can you elaborate a bit more on why you think
this is the case? Is there academic discussion on the definition of
consumerism and the ethics (or lack thereof) behind it?? I'd love to
read about this.
I suggest the work of Noam Chomsky,
Terry wrote:
The FSF has incredible geniuses who understand code, technologies,
future directions and social implications. Their philosophies are
incredible, however some lack of people skills contributes to remaining
exclusionary through alienating many by not understanding and embracing
brendanpmur...@gmail.com wrote:
Teaching coding doesn't involve explaining licences: that is something that
should be instilled by practice and leading the kids to use solutions that
have the appropriate licence.
I disagree; licensing power and responsible use of that power is very much
Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote:
So MS excel is looking to imitate gnumeric which already consults
with R project to get accurate statistics? Why would they need to buy
company to do this? Or did I miss something?
In order to legally distribute a non-free, user-subjugating program
compatible with
Ali Abdul Ghani wrote:
http://onpon4.github.io/other/fsf-no-derivatives/
I'm guessing you pointed us to this article because you wished to
discuss the article. Here are my views on this article.
The article makes a number of claims without any sources; there are no
links to other pages as
Miles Fidelman wrote:
I've begun to wonder if there is a conflict between software freedom and
key pieces of software that create massive dependency webs. Or put
another way, vendor lock-in.
I see no such conflict because the freedoms of free software don't
guarantee software you'll like
I wrote:
Are there any LibrePlanet 2015 mirrors getting reliable feeds of the
conference (which is running as I type this)?
It seems the streams from live.fsf.org are working again. Thanks!
It would be good to know if there are any reliable mirrors in case
live.fsf.org streams drop out
rysiek wrote:
Rather, Internet of Broken Things:
http://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/26722r/the_internet_of_broken_things/
But yes, the question of retaining software freedom in a world of computing
things is a valid one, and a hard one. There is no silver bullet, and the
market will
Two years ago the radio show This American Life talked about software
idea patents:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/441/when-patents-attack
The show asked a number of unresolved questions about the details
involved in why people sue and threaten to sue others over
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