Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software

2022-03-21 Thread Yasuaki Kudo
NPM unaccountability is an issue of its own I think, but yes, you are absolutely right! > On Mar 22, 2022, at 12:48, Jim Fulner wrote: > >  Well, > It looks like all this nonsense went somewhere. > [1]https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/big-sabotage-famous-n > pm-package-del

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software

2022-03-21 Thread Jim Fulner
Well, It looks like all this nonsense went somewhere. [1]https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/big-sabotage-famous-n pm-package-deletes-files-to-protest-ukraine-war/ I'm really sad that such discussion to attempt to make it more difficult for anyone to access Free Softwar

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-14 Thread Akira Urushibata
Two recent news articles which relate to the discussion. Zelensly states that he wants IT companies to stop supporting Russian versions of their products. Some of his supporters may feel that free software developers should do likewise. The second article argues that matters are not so simple.

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-14 Thread Ron Nazarov via libreplanet-discuss
On 13/03/2022 17:57, Jean Louis wrote: Here is example of non-free proprietary software that falsely claimes to be free: https://github.com/WWBN/AVideo , | This Software must be used for Good, never Evil. It is expressly | forbidden to use AVideo Platform Open-Source to build porn sites, | v

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-13 Thread Valentino Giudice
> Thus the software is "open source" but it is not free software. No, it is absolutely not. The founders of the open source movement, the Open Source Initiative, Debian (which also uses the term "open source"), many software communities and even several government agencies all mean

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-13 Thread Jean Louis
* Erica Frank [2022-03-10 18:33]: > This makes no sense. > "Free software" does not mean "until you use it for immoral or illegal > purposes." Thanks for your opinion. Yes. Regarding "immoral": Please note that what is immoral is hard to define; it is vague and thus becomes unjust. For an avera

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
That's a pretty much substance free comment.  An axiomatic pronouncement - of both an opinion & judgement. And, just for the record... of COURSE politics has a part in thinking about software freedoms - copyrights, enforcement/protection thereof, business practices - all are subject to law, re

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-13 Thread Aaron Wolf
Gregor, I don't know if you're talking to me as "aa" but your "shame on you" comment is out of line. I didn't even express my positions, I brought up questions for discussion. You don't know what my position is. Software freedom is itself a political issue, it's not merely "open source" develo

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-13 Thread Jean Louis
* Aaron Wolf [2022-03-12 20:48]: > The recent podcast from Humane Tech folks grapples with the complexities of > this issue: From your link: > https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/49-the-dark-side-of-decentralization , | But if the world lives on Bitcoin, we may not be able to sanction | nati

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jean Louis wrote: * Miles Fidelman [2022-03-11 20:54]: Then again, we might want to spend a bit more time SCRUTINIZING SUBMISSIONS to the repositories.  I expect that the Russians (among others) are spending a bit more time, of late, inserting malware into things - to better distribute disinfor

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Aaron Wolf wrote: The recent podcast from Humane Tech folks grapples with the complexities of this issue: https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/49-the-dark-side-of-decentralization Now, that does not really relate to powerful government entities like the Russian military, but it does get into qu

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-13 Thread gregor
hi aa, all my perspective is, that politics has no part in thinking software freedom(s). also, i find your positions on the question very ethically questionable, shame on you. g On 13. 03. 22 16:07, Aaron Wolf wrote: I agree with most of that, but I don't accept the idea that centralized

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-13 Thread Aaron Wolf
I agree with most of that, but I don't accept the idea that centralized vs decentralized is simply a questions of personal inclination/assumptions. I think we can recognize shared concerns about ethics and consider that the structure of power might be a pragmatic implementation issue. It might

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-13 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Il 13/03/22 05:52, Aaron Wolf ha scritto: The inventors of nuclear technology might feel guilty about their role in the threat of nuclear war, but it's too late now to undo that. The same is true or any invention or creation. You can hope to keep it secret if it's so dangerous, but once it's o

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-12 Thread Aaron Wolf
The point of the podcast discussion was to grapple with the questions about power. I'm not saying I agree with every point or the way they frame the discussion. They are saying something to the effect of "empowering all people in the world via decentralized software freedom gives up the possibi

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-12 Thread Aaron Wolf
The recent podcast from Humane Tech folks grapples with the complexities of this issue: https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/49-the-dark-side-of-decentralization Now, that does not really relate to powerful government entities like the Russian military, but it does get into questions of danger a

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-12 Thread Jean Louis
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-03-11 21:00]: > > "Free software" does not mean "until you use it for immoral or illegal > purposes." > > Freedom Software (Free Software) is based on the principles of Four Freedoms > of Franklin D. Roosevelt namely: > > 1. Freedom of speech > 2. Freedom of worship/religion

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-11 Thread knowledgeofnati...@outlook.com
Félicien Pillot Cc: valentino.giudic...@gmail.com ; krey...@rixotstudio.cz ; libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Subject: Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software? [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ wh

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-11 Thread Jean Louis
* Miles Fidelman [2022-03-11 20:54]: > Then again, we might want to spend a bit more time SCRUTINIZING SUBMISSIONS > to the repositories.  I expect that the Russians (among others) are spending > a bit more time, of late, inserting malware into things - to better > distribute disinformation, the b

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-11 Thread Matt Ivie
On Thu, 2022-03-10 at 16:01 +, Jacob Hrbek wrote: > > It's just fucking crazy to argue that us writting a software for the > russian army is somehow a "good thing for freedom" when all rules of > freedom are being shelled with cluster bombs in ukraine at the time > when > even the definitio

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
Richard Stallman wrote: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > So what we could ask, is that Savannah, Github or Sour

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-11 Thread Jacob Hrbek
> "Free software" does not mean "until you use it for immoral or illegal purposes." Freedom Software (Free Software) is based on the principles of Four Freedoms of Franklin D. Roosevelt namely: 1. Freedom of speech 2. Freedom of worship/religion 3. Freedom of want 4. Freedom from fear Which

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-10 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > So what we could ask, is that Savannah, Github or Sourceforge, and > Debian, Fe

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-10 Thread Erica Frank
This makes no sense. "Free software" does not mean "until you use it for immoral or illegal purposes." First, the practical side: Savannah, Github, and Sourceforge are not the only sources. There are distributors, small and large, all over the web. If the big three stopped hosting

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-09 Thread Valentino Giudice
Which makes absolutely no sense. It's not the job of the FSF to side with Ukraine, or in general to take a side in wars. Those that support the FSF can have any opinion about any topic unrelated to free software and their money and support shouldn't be used to take a stand on separate issues. But

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-09 Thread Félicien Pillot
Le Tue, 8 Mar 2022 23:50:45 +0100, Valentino Giudice a écrit : > > This is not cooperating with community and society, it's mass > > murder by complacency and sooner we take action on this the sooner > > the russian gov will have issues getting updates for GNU and FSF to > > contribute to the non