Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin

2002-10-08 Thread Guido Draheim
Isn't that the old zsh qouting bug? Well, people still refuse to give us an 1.4.3 anysoon, so may be you want to expand your configure scripts with: http://ac-archive.sf.net/Installed_Packages/patch_libtool_on_darwin_zsh_overquoting.html Christoph Egger wrote: Usually I don't reply myself, but

Re: how about a bug fix release?

2002-10-08 Thread Guido Draheim
no news Troy Cauble wrote: Using 1.4.2, I was bitten by the test/pic_mode quoting bug in ltmain.sh. I pulled branch-1-4 from cvs but for that version, ltmain.sh needs ${SED} defined by a new macro and still has issues with non-quoted test values anyway. After realizing that I

Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin

2002-10-08 Thread Christoph Egger
Isn't that the old zsh qouting bug? Well, people still refuse to give us an 1.4.3 anysoon, so may be you want to expand your configure scripts with: http://ac-archive.sf.net/Installed_Packages/patch_libtool_on_darwin_zsh_overquoting.html zsh? Is that yet another shell? I use the bash shell.

Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin

2002-10-08 Thread Christoph Egger
Christoph Egger wrote: I am running Darwin 6.1. libtool 1.4.2, autoconf 2.52 and automake 1.6.1 are shipped with it. The application I write loads dynamic libs at runtime or at least it should. But Darwin says, the dynamic lib are not of the right type of object file. Having a closer

Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin

2002-10-08 Thread Guido Draheim
Christoph Egger wrote: All what I want are three things: 1) That my above fix becomes part of one of the next libtool releases 2) That libtool calls gcc with the right params, so that gcc doesn't break the compiling process with 'gcc: -install_name only allowed with -dynamiclib' 3)

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Guido Draheim
a new-feature release is the same work as a bugfix release? ye kiddin'... Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Wouldn't it be better to get libtool 1.5 out the door? The resources required to achieve a releasable product are similar and CVS libtool already contains most of the fixes that would go into a

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Guido Draheim wrote: a new-feature release is the same work as a bugfix release? ye kiddin'... I have been using libtool since the beginning, and every new libtool release has essentially been a bugfix release. Unlike Autoconf and Automake, it is impossible to bring

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Albert Chin
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 11:17:55AM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Wouldn't it be better to get libtool 1.5 out the door? The resources required to achieve a releasable product are similar and CVS libtool already contains most of the fixes that would go into a 1.4.3. I'd like to see 1.4.3. Who

RE: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Howard Chu
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Albert Chin On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 11:17:55AM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Wouldn't it be better to get libtool 1.5 out the door? The resources required to achieve a releasable product are

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Albert Chin
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 03:38:17PM -0500, Robert Boehne wrote: So a 1.4.3 version is desired, that's established. The million-dollar question is: Does current branch-1-4 Libtool do the trick? If so, then a roll out could be done within the week. I've got some patches I'd like to roll

RE: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Howard Chu wrote: I'd like to see 1.4.3. Who else is onboard? What is required to make a release happen? I'd like to see this as well. Incremental changes tend to be easier to swallow. I also found the CVS libtool was not a simple drop-in replacement for 1.4.2. It

Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin

2002-10-08 Thread Christoph Egger
Christoph Egger wrote: All what I want are three things: 1) That my above fix becomes part of one of the next libtool releases 2) That libtool calls gcc with the right params, so that gcc doesn't break the compiling process with 'gcc: -install_name only allowed with -dynamiclib'

Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin

2002-10-08 Thread Tim Mooney
In regard to: Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin, Christoph Egger said (at 11:26pm...: Ok, here we come: I just did 2) The fix is replacing this line archive_cmds='$nonopt $(test x$module = xyes echo -bundle || echo -dynamiclib) $allow_undefined_flag -o $lib $libobjs $deplibs$linker_flags

Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin

2002-10-08 Thread Christoph Egger
Christoph Egger wrote: Ok, here we come: I just did 2) The fix is replacing this line archive_cmds='$nonopt $(test x$module = xyes echo -bundle || echo -dynamiclib) $allow_undefined_flag -o $lib $libobjs $deplibs$linker_flags -install_name $rpath/$soname $verstring' by this

Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin

2002-10-08 Thread Christoph Egger
In regard to: Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin, Christoph Egger said (at 11:26pm...: Ok, here we come: I just did 2) The fix is replacing this line archive_cmds='$nonopt $(test x$module = xyes echo -bundle || echo -dynamiclib) $allow_undefined_flag -o $lib $libobjs $deplibs$linker_flags

Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin

2002-10-08 Thread Benjamin Reed
While we're on the subject of darwin and libtool, we've been needing to make changes to libtool to make KDE compile on darwin that haven't been discussed in this thread. Darwin's GCC has a number of very weird states it can get into during the linking stage because of it's crappy ld (grin), and

Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin

2002-10-08 Thread Christoph Egger
While we're on the subject of darwin and libtool, we've been needing to make changes to libtool to make KDE compile on darwin that haven't been discussed in this thread. Darwin's GCC has a number of very weird states it can get into during the linking stage because of it's crappy ld

Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin

2002-10-08 Thread Guido Draheim
Bruce Korb wrote: Christoph Egger wrote: Ok, here we come: I just did 2) The fix is replacing this line archive_cmds='$nonopt $(test x$module = xyes echo -bundle || echo -dynamiclib) $allow_undefined_flag -o $lib $libobjs $deplibs$linker_flags -install_name $rpath/$soname $verstring' by

Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Bonzini
We sorely need a libtool 1.4.3 -- autoconf is consistently being blamed for its brokenness and in general its portability is flaky on some systems (like Darwin). I don't have the time and knowledge to propose myself for libtool maintainership, but I can trust people that do have this knowledge

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On 8 Oct 2002, Akim Demaille wrote: There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? I *strongly* suggest that it must not. It should AC_PREREQ 2.54 immediately. Then, I'm fine with checking the M4 code and making it up to date. If

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Akim Demaille
Bob == Bob Friesenhahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob Wouldn't it be better to get libtool 1.5 out the door? The Bob resources required to achieve a releasable product are similar Bob and CVS libtool already contains most of the fixes that would go Bob into a 1.4.3. There is one big question

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Lars Hecking
Bob Friesenhahn writes: On 8 Oct 2002, Akim Demaille wrote: There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? I *strongly* suggest that it must not. It should AC_PREREQ 2.54 immediately. Then, I'm fine with checking the M4 code and

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Sascha Schumann
There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? We use it for the PHP project (80k lines configure script), because 2.5x is 5 to 6 times slower and contains a dependency-ignorant cache system. So, please don't create

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Thomas E. Dickey
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Earnie Boyd wrote: FWIR, Akim and other developers tried hard to maintain [back|bug]ward compatibility. But, some of the incompatibility was ill formed autoconf syntax so that incompatibility wasn't maintained and instead a better parser was put into place. not at all

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Thomas E. Dickey
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Lars Hecking wrote: Bob Friesenhahn writes: On 8 Oct 2002, Akim Demaille wrote: There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? I *strongly* suggest that it must not. It should AC_PREREQ 2.54

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Thomas E. Dickey
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On 8 Oct 2002, Akim Demaille wrote: There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? I *strongly* suggest that it must not. It should AC_PREREQ 2.54 immediately. Then, I'm fine with

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: I agree. I can't imagine why anyone would want to use an antique version of Autoconf which dates from 1996. Because it works? In any case, it's the respective maintainer's choice. Making autoconf incompatible with previous versions of

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Pavel Roskin
Hello, Russ! I'm the one who suggested the version 2.50 when it was discussed whether the next version should be 2.14, 2.15 or 3.0. The reason was because there was some incompatibility, but not significant to justify the major number change. It is possible to write configure.in compatible

Re: Libtool 1.4.3 - unsolvable issue

2002-10-08 Thread Allan Clark (rply to list pls)
Libtool-ers; I think this issue simply becomes mired by stacking up on either side of a for/against line. Previously, it was mentioned that certain troublesome source trees be used as litmus tests for automake or autoconf changes; the same may hold true now for libtool. Brief summary: if you

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Sascha Schumann
I developed/maintain the configure script for ImageMagick. While the total lines in the generated configure script is meaningless, it is less than 1/2 of what you report for PHP, and PHP's configure script is 4-8X larger than typical configure scripts for other large packages (e.g. 4X

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Bernd Jendrissek
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 11:36:40AM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On 8 Oct 2002, Akim Demaille wrote: There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? I *strongly* suggest that it must not. It should AC_PREREQ 2.54 immediately. Then,

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Pavel Roskin
Hello! People who stick to the 2.13 guns can stick to the libtool 1.3.3/whatever guns. I see no reason why *new* code (third-party packages) should require a *new* libtool but an *old* autoconf. And the argument that 2.13 works doesn't fly by me: so does 1.4.2 (or whatever the last

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Sascha Schumann
[Cc line trimmed] me too! :) I think we have heard all arguments by now. There is no need to reiterate them. Whatever the outcome of this thread might be -- I hope those who work on libtool will continue to provide a toolkit which is suitable for all of us --

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Robert Boehne
Ok, So a 1.4.3 version is desired, that's established. The million-dollar question is: Does current branch-1-4 Libtool do the trick? If so, then a roll out could be done within the week. Robert -- Robert Boehne Software Engineer Ricardo Software Chicago Technical Center

Re: libtool 1.4.2 on Darwin

2002-10-08 Thread Christoph Egger
Bruce Korb wrote: Christoph Egger wrote: Ok, here we come: I just did 2) The fix is replacing this line archive_cmds='$nonopt $(test x$module = xyes echo -bundle || echo -dynamiclib) $allow_undefined_flag -o $lib $libobjs $deplibs$linker_flags -install_name $rpath/$soname