Re: Any interest in an HTML DOM in C / C# / similar? (was Re: State of the AJAX Union)

2006-11-24 Thread John J Lee
Can you explain how wrapping a C/C# DOM implementation and using that from Perl is in conflict with using Perl's regex engine? John On Thu, 23 Nov 2006, Christopher Hart wrote: For one particular application, I need the speed of Perl's regex engine and I have not been able to match it in C#

Re: Any interest in an HTML DOM in C / C# / similar? (was Re: State of the AJAX Union)

2006-11-24 Thread Christopher Hart
Well, maybe it isn't in conflict, but I failed to mention another requirement - the application that I'm referring to also has to run on Linux. Perhaps that still doesn't represent a problem - could Mono be workable? I haven't worked with it enough to know. On 11/24/06, John J Lee <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: Any interest in an HTML DOM in C / C# / similar? (was Re: State of the AJAX Union)

2006-11-23 Thread Christopher Hart
For one particular application, I need the speed of Perl's regex engine and I have not been able to match it in C# or even with limited attempts using C++ and Boost's regex library. So, regardless of feature availability on other platforms, I'm going to continue pursuing DOM & JS functionality in

Any interest in an HTML DOM in C / C# / similar? (was Re: State of the AJAX Union)

2006-11-23 Thread John J Lee
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006, Christopher Hart wrote: Would an "easier" (yet still monumental) starting point be to tackle the DOM implementation independent of a JS engine? [...] This seems like a great open source project - it's way too much to handle for most individual developers, but I think could

Re: State of the AJAX Union

2006-11-23 Thread John J Lee
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006, Christopher Hart wrote: I agree that folks have been talking about JS for a long time, and that it's frustrating, but what I'm suggesting is that we need to tackle a different problem first. [...] An HTML DOM implemention is a necessary part of JS support, sure (though St

Re: State of the AJAX Union

2006-11-23 Thread John J Lee
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006, Christopher Hart wrote: I'm willing to take a crack at laying out a vision, high level objectives and some implementation requirements based on my experiences and see how [...] Everyone who's seriously interested is willing to do that. Indeed, many have surely done that

Re: State of the AJAX Union

2006-11-23 Thread John J Lee
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006, apv wrote: I've also been interested for a long time and tried to work on this 2 years ago but didn't get far enough to bother trying to release anything. [...] I would gladly throw down if there was a group effort with a real plan. I'm not the right hacker to lead this pr

RE: State of the AJAX Union

2006-11-22 Thread Jim Atkins
2006 2:35 PM To: Stefan Seifert Cc: libwww@perl.org Subject: Re: State of the AJAX Union On Wed, 22 Nov 2006, Stefan Seifert wrote: [...] > I too thought about that. Maybe using the JavaScript or > JavaScript::Spidermonkey module and XML::DOM. I will certainly > experiment around with th

Re: State of the AJAX Union

2006-11-22 Thread apv
I've also been interested for a long time and tried to work on this 2 years ago but didn't get far enough to bother trying to release anything. DOM could be tackled in an HTML::Tree-->XML::"parser" fashion. That way, bad mark-up could be legitimized and something like XML::LibXML could handle the

Re: State of the AJAX Union

2006-11-22 Thread Christopher Hart
I'm willing to take a crack at laying out a vision, high level objectives and some implementation requirements based on my experiences and see how much interest there is for a group effort if others are interested in helping out. I'm sure I'll miss a lot that others with different experiences cou

Re: State of the AJAX Union

2006-11-22 Thread Christopher Hart
I agree that folks have been talking about JS for a long time, and that it's frustrating, but what I'm suggesting is that we need to tackle a different problem first. This isn't an academic question - without knowing how the DOM is going to work (or even if there is one), the JS conversation can'

Re: State of the AJAX Union

2006-11-22 Thread Andy Lester
On Nov 22, 2006, at 2:51 PM, Christopher Hart wrote: Would an "easier" (yet still monumental) starting point be to tackle the DOM implementation independent of a JS engine? All of this is pointless unless someone is willing to step up and JFDI. Otherwise, it's just rehashing the same the

Re: State of the AJAX Union

2006-11-22 Thread Christopher Hart
Would an "easier" (yet still monumental) starting point be to tackle the DOM implementation independent of a JS engine? It seems like attempting to create any kind of a JavaScript framework implementation would be pretty useless (and horribly incomplete) without the DOM being present first. An i

Re: State of the AJAX Union

2006-11-22 Thread John J Lee
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006, Stefan Seifert wrote: [...] I too thought about that. Maybe using the JavaScript or JavaScript::Spidermonkey module and XML::DOM. I will certainly experiment around with them, as we need it at work. Doesn't seem to be Sigh, we've had this same little discussion at least fiv

Re: State of the AJAX Union

2006-11-22 Thread Stefan Seifert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John J Lee wrote: > On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Christopher Hart wrote: > >> I know there is a rich history of challenges implementing any kind of >> JavaScript interpretation using Mechanize or any other web >> scripting/automation utility, but I was wonderi

Re: State of the AJAX Union

2006-11-22 Thread John J Lee
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Christopher Hart wrote: I know there is a rich history of challenges implementing any kind of JavaScript interpretation using Mechanize or any other web scripting/automation utility, but I was wondering if anyone has tried to focus on "Mechanizing" AJAX? I realize this would