Re: Draft 1 of the OpenDesk.com Public Source License

1999-11-17 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Nov 17, 1999 at 07:56:02PM -0800, Arandir wrote: > On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, David Starner wrote: > > > > This is equivalent to forking the project at the start, unless you add > > > an addendum to the GPL that stipulates that GPL contributors permit you > > > to take their changes and re-rele

Re: Can Java code EVER be GPLd, at all?

1999-11-17 Thread Alex Nicolaou
Richard Stallman wrote: > If an application 'A' uses a library 'B' in what might be described as an > 'essential' way, then, irrespective of the physical mechanism of linkage > (static/dynamic/run-time/compile-time/corba) I would expect 'A' to be > considered as a derived work of

Re: Draft 1 of the OpenDesk.com Public Source License

1999-11-17 Thread Arandir
On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, David Starner wrote: > > This is equivalent to forking the project at the start, unless you add > > an addendum to the GPL that stipulates that GPL contributors permit you > > to take their changes and re-release them under the APSL clone. Of > > course, then it's not GPL any

Re: Draft 1 of the OpenDesk.com Public Source License

1999-11-17 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Nov 17, 1999 at 05:32:43AM -0500, Alex Nicolaou wrote: > Bruce Perens wrote: > > > Why not dual-license? GPL + anything else you please. That way, if people > > want to do GPL work, they accept your GPL license. Someone who wants to > > do commercial work accepts your APSL 1.1 clone. > >

Re: Can you alter the MIT license?

1999-11-17 Thread Alex Nicolaou
Bruce Perens wrote: > > From: "Scott Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > A better example is Bruce Perens GPL'ing of the > > public domain TIGER map database last year from the US Census Bureau. > > I am skating on thin ice on that one because it's a collection of facts > and not in itself copyrig

Re: Draft 1 of the OpenDesk.com Public Source License

1999-11-17 Thread Alex Nicolaou
Bruce Perens wrote: > Why not dual-license? GPL + anything else you please. That way, if people > want to do GPL work, they accept your GPL license. Someone who wants to > do commercial work accepts your APSL 1.1 clone. This is equivalent to forking the project at the start, unless you add an ad

Re: Copyrighting facts (was: Re: Can you alter the MIT license?)

1999-11-17 Thread Seth David Schoen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > There's a great deal of information about copyright and copyrightable > subject matter available from the Library of Congress Office of Copyright. > It is probably all on the web too. Oh, I don't mean to suggest that there aren't standards or that they aren't publishe

RE: Can you abandon copyright?

1999-11-17 Thread Ian Grigg
> I think there might be a confusion in the use of language here. Yes, copyright is distinct form moral rights (which as someone pointed out is the english language term rather than creator's rights). > It seems quite possible to abandon a copyright. Yes, copyrights are completely assignable A

RE: Can you abandon copyright?

1999-11-17 Thread InfoNuovo
I think there might be a confusion in the use of language here. It seems quite possible to abandon a copyright. However, that does not make it available for anyone else to have. Consider the case where a copyright expires. This puts the work in the public domain (ignoring the prospect of some o

Re: Can you alter the MIT license? (1)

1999-11-17 Thread Ian Grigg
> In English this is often called ``moral rights.'' Moral rights do not > exist in English and American law. They exist in French law, and > presumably German law. I have no idea whether they will exist in EU > law. I was told that moral rights are coming into affect ("ascension") some time s

Re: Can you alter the MIT license? (1)

1999-11-17 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:09:44 + From: Angelo Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The creator of a given subject has "rights of an author". In English this is often called ``moral rights.'' Moral rights do not exist in English and American law. They exist in French law, and presumably

Re: Can you alter the MIT license? (1)

1999-11-17 Thread Angelo Schneider
Hi Bruce! Hi all! Problem in this thread is that most people seem not to realize that copyright is only a smal part out of a set of rights which belong to a more comprehencive right. see below! Best Regards, Angelo Bruce Perens wrote: > > From: Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Even

Re: Can you alter the MIT license? (2)

1999-11-17 Thread Angelo Schneider
Hi Bruce, Hi all, Bruce Perens wrote: > > From: "Scott Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > A better example is Bruce Perens GPL'ing of the > > public domain TIGER map database last year from the US Census Bureau. > > I am skating on thin ice on that one because it's a collection of facts > and no

Re: Copyrighting facts (was: Re: Can you alter the MIT license?)

1999-11-17 Thread Angelo Schneider
Hi Seth, very good explanaition! Angelo Seth David Schoen wrote: > > Bruce Perens writes: > > > From: Justin Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > How far can you go with this notion that you cannot copyright a fact? Can you > > > copyright the arrangement of chess men on a chess board? > > > > The